Fan controllers, AQUAERO VS mCubed T-Balancer (updated)

**dopestuff** · 11-17-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Extigy

There is only 1 Fanamp i KNOW of that isn't custom made and that is the mCubed FanAmp.

But by its very definition, you cannot have a FanAmp without an external power supply (i.e molex connection)

cool thanks man

**Brodholm** · 11-17-2008, 11:10 AM

Is there someone here that uses the Aquaero with 3 yates SL? (3,6w each) The aquaero can take 10w per channel but the total of 3 loons is 10,8w

**tommyxv** · 02-20-2009, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Shoggy

Forget this manual. It is outdated to the max

Each channel can handle a load of 10W while the total load of all channels combined should not exceed 30W. Of course you can use y-adapters to connect more fans to one channel.

If this came with a black face and handled 30w per channel (to handle 3 panoflows or san aces), that would be one awsome EXTREME fan controller.

Pre-Order???

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 04:33 AM

Why would you need 30W per channel? 3 San Aces "only" draws 18W? Why the extra wattage? I am happily running 3 San Aces of my BigNG which is rated at 20W per channel (non PWM, PWM and San Aces is a no no). With the Panaflows, rated at about 5W, you could easily run 8 from one BigNG channel in PWM mode (40W per channel in PWM mode).

**tommyxv** · 02-20-2009, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by biggles1

Why would you need 30W per channel? 3 San Aces "only" draws 18W? Why the extra wattage? I am happily running 3 San Aces of my BigNG which is rated at 20W per channel (non PWM, PWM and San Aces is a no no). With the Panaflows, rated at about 5W, you could easily run 8 from one BigNG channel in PWM mode (40W per channel in PWM mode).

Most electrical code/guidelines state never exceed more that 75-80% of what the wire rating. No need for wires/componets to run warm. 3 San Aces 109R1212H1011 is a 1.56 amp/18.72 watt draw.... 20 watts just cutting it too close. 30 watts just sounded better to me.

Whats this bigNG...not familiar with it....let me google.

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 05:44 AM

Well, for anyone without the google-skills of tommyxv, here comes the short rundown.

The Aquaero and the mcubed bigNG are more or less the same thing. They read sensors (temp, flow, etc) and control devices (fans, pumps, lamps, power). The Aquaero is the prettier with external LCD/VFD display (also available as internal if I am not misinformed) and the bigNG is internal. Both have more or less the same capabilities with smaller differences in some areas. bigNG has suffered from a little less development during the last year, but has just released a new alpha version of their new client/server based software. Both are, as far as I can tell (have the bigNG myself, and it sure is) fire and forget, ie you install and configure it, and then let it run without user or computer intervention. The on board processor takes care of the rest. Both have a lot of possibilities to connect extra stuff for controlling more and more power full devices!

**tommyxv** · 02-20-2009, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by biggles1

Well, for anyone without the google-skills of tommyxv, here comes the short rundown.

Originally Posted by biggles1

The Aquaero and the mcubed bigNG are more or less the same thing. They read sensors (temp, flow, etc) and control devices (fans, pumps, lamps, power). The Aquaero is the prettier with external LCD/VFD display (also available as internal if I am not misinformed) and the bigNG is internal. Both have more or less the same capabilities with smaller differences in some areas. bigNG has suffered from a little less development during the last year, but has just released a new alpha version of their new client/server based software. Both are, as far as I can tell (have the bigNG myself, and it sure is) fire and forget, ie you install and configure it, and then let it run without user or computer intervention. The on board processor takes care of the rest. Both have a lot of possibilities to connect extra stuff for controlling more and more power full devices!

They both sound pretty nice...just wish each channel had just alittle more headroom as for as watts thats all.

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 06:33 AM

But as long as you use PWM (and why shouldn't you?) the 40W per channel from the bigNG should be plenty!

**tommyxv** · 02-20-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by biggles1

But as long as you use PWM (and why shouldn't you?) the 40W per channel from the bigNG should be plenty!

I have 2 sets of 3 San Aces that are going to be wired together for my Feser 360s. I may even add another set of 3 San Aces for a push/pull on one Rad. One knob control 3 rad fans. PWM won't work with 3 fans wired together will it?

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 10:04 AM

It sure will... But not on the San Aces. They start to rattle then. I'm not really fond of the San Aces. Sure, they provide much areflow, but the noise is to high, even when you undervolt them. I am just going to replace my San Aces with S-flex!

**-X-hellfire** · 02-20-2009, 11:17 AM

btw, I used a translated site which tried to translate miniNG to Swedish, mining (gruvdrift) and I was like WTF has mining to do with fancontrollers

link
"Configuration of the miniNG"

"Konfiguration av gruvdrift"

**-X-hellfire** · 02-20-2009, 11:34 AM

I got two T-Balancer XL which are run by two instances of T-Balancer Navigator v2.9.0

It works mostly but I don´t know how to cleanup the database files tban.mdb for each one which keeps growing and growing in size, they are now 125MB each.

I tried the
Option/Database/
0 days and then revert back to 60 days

and got the
clear up the database ...checked

**tommyxv** · 02-20-2009, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by biggles1

It sure will... But not on the San Aces. They start to rattle then. I'm not really fond of the San Aces. Sure, they provide much areflow, but the noise is to high, even when you undervolt them. I am just going to replace my San Aces with S-flex!

Have you tried the new San Ace 9G1212H1011 fans? They are are rated 7v-13.8v vs the older 109Rs at 10v-13.8v. Probably undervolt a little better? ANywau, noise isn't much of an issue for me. I like knowing my system is on.

**~~ILikeCosmosS~~** · 02-20-2009, 03:29 PM

sometimes you just gotta have a lot of bays filled thats why i go with baybus for manuel control

my question is can these types of fan controllers handle 15 fans the bigNG only has 4 fan ports/channels

**tommyxv** · 02-20-2009, 04:10 PM

I got this guy coming....30watts per channel....all i need to run all my fans.

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by tommyxv

Have you tried the new San Ace 9G1212H1011 fans? They are are rated 7v-13.8v vs the older 109Rs at 10v-13.8v. Probably undervolt a little better? ANywau, noise isn't much of an issue for me. I like knowing my system is on.

Nope, but it isn't undervolting that is the main issue, it's PWM. I can undervolt them just fine, but not use PWM. And no matter how, it sounds to much. I had pretty good performance when I used my Sharkoons 2000 before the San Aces) but now I am replcing my San Aces with to S-flex. Back channels in my Ufo runs Nexus.

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS

sometimes you just gotta have a lot of bays filled thats why i go with baybus for manuel control

my question is can these types of fan controllers handle 15 fans the bigNG only has 4 fan ports/channels

Of cource it depends on the fans, but generally speaking, yes. I have seven "normal" 120mm case fans from two channels on my bigNG without it breaking into a sweat. S-flex for example typically draws 2.4W. That's eight fans per 20W channel (max 40W analog). But if you run them in PWM mode, you could gho up to a total of 80W (33 fans...). But then I would make sure I had an extra fan just for the bigNG... Or watercool it!

**biggles1** · 02-20-2009, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by tommyxv

Most electrical code/guidelines state never exceed more that 75-80% of what the wire rating.

Just remembered. You could go over the 40/80W recommondation, just make sure you cool it adequately! (an extra fan or some watercooling should work out great!)

**Ender17** · 03-06-2009, 01:23 PM

so do these auto fan controllers require you to wire up sensors all over the case or can they use the built in sensors that you would see from something like RealTemp or a GPU monitor?

**-X-hellfire** · 03-14-2009, 08:12 AM

Now I really done it!

...had a to return a new wireless keyboard, didn't like it, and use my old wireless keyboard a Logitech Cordess Desktop Pro although it freaks out after a few weeks and a year ago the volume went nuts and went up/down like slut on crack so but now it worked fine I thought

as I have two T-Balancer XL fancontrollers, one in the bottom the CM Stacker and one in the top which have the internal usb-cable lengthed with one more but it's not perfect as it sometime loses connection but it works mostly

this is where the flaky usb-keyboard comes in as it after a while probably sends some garbage to the usb-controller on the motherboard
and somehow distrups the fancontroller and even changes the temperature curves, which are stored on the fancontroller

to make a long story short my computer is down as the whole raid 5+0, in sig, has crashed, can only see 1st harddisk at startup the it freezes, im guessing its an overheated motherboard and SATA controller thats gone bad since it freezes at startup

**headala** · 03-14-2009, 02:54 PM

That doesn't surprise me; I've seen USB stuff screw up computers before. I had a palm that when plugged in would instantly reset the computer, but only when my MP3 player was also plugged in!

**Eddie3dfx** · 03-14-2009, 02:58 PM

Any idea how many watts/amps an aquaxtreme xt or innovatek hpps would run at? I'm trying to find out if it will work with my multswitch and I've posted on almost every german forum, but no answer

**fox3** · 03-14-2009, 03:28 PM

The XT Ultra @ 84.6Hz uses @ 7.1W. According to aquasuite and current consumption is ~570 mA and 12.21V. HTH.

**Eddie3dfx** · 03-14-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by fox3

The XT Ultra @ 84.6Hz uses @ 7.1W. According to aquasuite and current consumption is ~570 mA and 12.21V. HTH.

That is great news. I'll be running 3 at 72hz. The controller is good for 40 watts total on 8 channels, with the ability to run at most 1amp on each channel.
That means I'm good for the pumps, extra cathodes, 2 fans, and 8 leds.

Thanks for posting that.

**Baxxxter** · 05-12-2009, 01:39 AM

I dont know much about electronics and stuff, so i will ask before i do anything stupid.
The cpecifications of bigNG state:

max. current: 7A
max. power: 80W (PWM)/20W (analogue)
power per channel: 40W (PWM)/20W (analogue)

What is the difference in analogue and PWM mode...? I have tried it, and in PWM mode my fans started to sing...

I am wondering this, because i would like to plug 8x Scythe Slipstreams 1600RPM (4.92W) to my bigNG with Y splitters. As far as i understand all this specs, the max power states 20W in analogue mode, and that would mean that i cant run all of 8 Slipstreams because they would exceed the power limit... Am i wrong? Am i missing something? Sorry for being such a noob about it, but i realy dont want to fry my bigNG

Thanks in advance...

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