Modded ASUS P5Q/Pro/Deluxe/Premium BIOS

[Ket]

I'm not. Working on other things atm.

[dnottis]

Got my EP45 UD3P and managed to get 3.9 / 1105 stable @ 1.28v. Got my RMA for the P5Q-E. First bad Open Box board Newegg has sent me. Oh well, I've bought plenty that were good ones.

[oMek]

well it was a great run ket, my old p5q-e is now in my girls computer, running the 1703s and it will stay there until it dies.

i replaced it with a ga-ep45-ud3r and so far i love it, 500x8 rock stable on my q9550. there are alot more options in the bios... but i still feel your mBios and the p5q gave me higher memory clocks.

anyways... thanks for all the time you put into these bios and for helping all the noobs that had no idea how to even flash :P

[mjgr33n]

Hi Ket, when you are doing your BIOS mods are you just replacing the memory sizing Module ID 15 and the P6 Micro Code Module ID 11 using MMTool etc with the ones from the Maximus 2 Formula?

I notice you change the OEM logo Moudule ID 0E, but I assume that is not needed?

Also I noticed that Module ID 80 Image Information is slightly larger on yours than the original BIOS, is this a needed change due to changing the other module?

Is it possible for me to do the exact same thing with P5Q Deluxe BIOS 1805 and Maximus 2 Formula BIOS 1901.

Any tips would be appreciated, I have looked around on many forums including rebelshavenforum and found very little information regarding the memory tables, a tiny bit on the P6 Micro Code and no other mention of anything else I need to change if those 2 are changed.

PM me if needed.

^_^

[jbruneau]

Hi Ket, when you are doing your BIOS mods are you just replacing the memory sizing Module ID 15 and the P6 Micro Code Module ID 11 using MMTool etc with the ones from the Maximus 2 Formula?

I notice you change the OEM logo Moudule ID 0E, but I assume that is not needed?

Also I noticed that Module ID 80 Image Information is slightly larger on yours than the original BIOS, is this a needed change due to changing the other module?

Is it possible for me to do the exact same thing with P5Q Deluxe BIOS 1805 and Maximus 2 Formula BIOS 1901.

Any tips would be appreciated, I have looked around on many forums including rebelshavenforum and found very little information regarding the memory tables, a tiny bit on the P6 Micro Code and no other mention of anything else I need to change if those 2 are changed.

PM me if needed.

^_^

Ket,

I'm interested in trying to figure out how to do this as well.

I have on numerous occasions installed a new CPU in a board that supports the processor (by researching the chipset) but the MFG fails to keep the microcode updated!

I would love to be able to just drop the new microcode info into the BIOS !

On a related note, would it be possible to modify a BIOS to allow for PC2-6400 (the chipset again supports it), when the MFG limited it to PC2-5300? Sounds crazy. I can do it from Windows, by changing the memory ratio, but it is one less APP to worry about and that much more added stability !

Lastly, my board from ASUS FINALLY arrived yesterday! Assembly today hopefully!

[jbruneau]

I can confirm that my new board is working great!

I used the Kodakey tool to flash back to 1406, and the EZ Flash to flash over to your 1406 modded BIOS.

So far, I can't tell the difference, but I haven't tried clocking it yet either !

I didn't clock it before, mind you, so there won't be any concrete evidence.

I understand you changed the boot logo (which I have turned off), I'll have to turn it on, just to make sure the flash took! LOL!

Hopefully I can hit 533 on this baby, I'd love to run 1:1 with my RAM, and try to push a 3.4GHz or 3.6GHz overclock!

Sadly, that doesn't look to good, most I think is 3.2GHz (my VID is 1.3250v!! YIKES!!!)...

[carepolice]

Im prime stable blend and small, but it will randomly crash on me too. I've got a Gigabyte UD3P coming tomorrow to see if its just a flakey board.

Your 'E' is suffering Loadline calibration bug i think, try running LLC disabled to see result

[Ket]

Ket,

I'm interested in trying to figure out how to do this as well.

I have on numerous occasions installed a new CPU in a board that supports the processor (by researching the chipset) but the MFG fails to keep the microcode updated!

I would love to be able to just drop the new microcode info into the BIOS !

On a related note, would it be possible to modify a BIOS to allow for PC2-6400 (the chipset again supports it), when the MFG limited it to PC2-5300? Sounds crazy. I can do it from Windows, by changing the memory ratio, but it is one less APP to worry about and that much more added stability !

Lastly, my board from ASUS FINALLY arrived yesterday! Assembly today hopefully!

1. Rebels haven for your answers
2. You will need to use spdtool
3. GL on the build

[mjgr33n]

1. Rebels haven for your answers
2. You will need to use spdtool
3. GL on the build

Edited

In the end I just did what I thought needed doing and I swapped in the Module 15 and 11 from the Maximus II Formula 1901 into the P5Q Deluxe 1805 BIOS and all seemed to work well!

^_^

[q head]

i just want to say that your bios helped me get my 3.6 ghz OC stable on my p5q pro. I am also following your advice and getting those SB, NB and mosfet sinks. What do you think about my MB temps being 45c as reported by pc probe? it started happening when i switched in a visiontek 4870 over my 4850.

[Ket]

If 45c is your idle temp, a tad warm IMO. Remember you also need a good PSU in any system.

[carepolice]

Yeap, mine MB temp is 33c durning LinX test (100% load)

[jbruneau]

1. Rebels haven for your answers
2. You will need to use spdtool
3. GL on the build

I'll head on over to Rebels haven to learn how to play with BIOSes, thank you, Ket!!

As for my system, it is running 100% at stock, no problems. Currently on 1406 Modded. Unfortunately, any overclocking attempt right now is an epic fail !

My starting point was a jump from 266 to 333 (2.4GHz to 3.0GHz). I know enough from reading that it shouldn't require any added volts to the nb or sb (prolly never to sb for what I want to do), but maybe a little bump in vcore.

To get it to even boot into Vista x64, I had to bump from 1.325 to 1.375, but to get it remotely stable needed 1.400. This allowed me to run occt for about 5 - 10 minutes but several attempts failed.

During my testing I also attempted a bump in nb to 1.2 and 1.3, plus a bump in fsb to 1.52 / 1.54 / 1.56, and a fsb term to 1.22 / 1.24 / 1.26.

I couldn't get it stable, sadly .

The entire time I was sure to retain a 1:1 ratio and keep my memory at its rated 1066 5-5-5-15 2.10V.

I think it's my CPU that is causing my grief. I just got a bad one. Sucks but OCing isn't guaranteed, ahh well! My VID on my chip (coretemp) is 1.325V !

Any ideas, guys?

Water mayyybe in the summer, slight chance, but right now it's an:

Antec P160W w/ 2x120MM 79CFM fans
ASUS P5Q Pro
Intel Q6600 G0 1.325V VID
Corsair Domainator PC2-1066 5-5-5-15 2.10V w/ Crossflow Fan
Diamond Radeon HD 4870 1GB
1xWD 320GB OS
2xWD 500GB RAID0 Storage
Termalright Ultra 120 Extreme w/ 2x120MM 56CFM fans
700W OCZ ModStream Pro

[Ket]

Try 1.475v Vcore, with LLC on this will be a actual voltage of about 1.45v under load, see what your CPU can do then. I would also think your CPU is the problem, its rare, but even some G0s are bum clockers.

[jbruneau]

Try 1.475v Vcore, with LLC on this will be a actual voltage of about 1.45v under load, see what your CPU can do then. I would also think your CPU is the problem, its rare, but even some G0s are bum clockers.

I'll give it a shot and see how far I can get.

Which of your BIOSes do you prefer? I've read a lot of good notes on 1406. The 1611 and 1613 (aka Super) look nice as well!

I figure that would be a good starting point is to run the 'best' bios for my config....

[jbruneau]

Try 1.475v Vcore, with LLC on this will be a actual voltage of about 1.45v under load, see what your CPU can do then. I would also think your CPU is the problem, its rare, but even some G0s are bum clockers.

If I manage to start to creep up to 366 and 400+ what is a safe level for nb / fsb / fsb term?

I've read 1.3 for nb, 1.56 for fsb, and 1.26 for fsb term. If I am correct, most don't have to play with the term volts, they like to stand still, right?

Geez .... I've gotten used to clocking AMDs! I've got my Opty 170 pushed from 2.0GHz to 2.75GHz, and my FX-60 from 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz! It was simple simple!

LOL

[Ket]

NB: 1.3v without a fan, with a fan: 1.44v. Above that you will need a decent NB HS to put a fan on along with some MOSFET heatsinks (Enzotech MST 81s)
SB: 1.2v, 1.3v if you have to. Deffinately no need to go higher than that.
FSB Term: I found on my old P5Q Pro at least (in RMA) anything over 1.3v made things more unstable on my E7200
FSB: As high as you can take it. FSB doesn't push anything on the mobo really, depends on your CPU. I doubt your CPU will reach 500FSB, but 440ish is possible.
Strap setting: 333 (1333MHz)

Remember that beyond a certain point you will need to change your PL setting. PL6 is good for stock, might get you to around 320-400FSB. PL7 will get you to around 450FSB, PL8 500FSB+. These are not set in stone values, but rather average guidelines. Its not uncommon to need PL8 for total stability beyond 400FSB and PL9 for total stability beyond 500FSB. Your OCing will also be limited by how good your RAM is. For example, if your RAM tops out at 800MHz, 400FSB will be your limit on a 333 strap, forget about 400 strap, its crap.

[axy1985]

Now thats a very useful post Ket. In behalf of all ppl that will not read this thread completely, and may skip to the very last pages, I thank you.

I'll try some of those suggestions right away!

[razorex]

My P5Q PRO is now stable at FSB500 (3h orthos and 10 intelburntests). vNB 1.2v vFSB 1.2v vSB 1.1v. My problem is that i'm getting a blue screen in GTAIV after a few seconds :/ "The video memory manager has encountered an unexpected fatal error". I've also checked major voltages but no luck On my normal settings 445x9 it doesnt happen. Any ideas?

[jbruneau]

NB: 1.3v without a fan, with a fan: 1.44v. Above that you will need a decent NB HS to put a fan on along with some MOSFET heatsinks (Enzotech MST 81s)
SB: 1.2v, 1.3v if you have to. Deffinately no need to go higher than that.
FSB Term: I found on my old P5Q Pro at least (in RMA) anything over 1.3v made things more unstable on my E7200
FSB: As high as you can take it. FSB doesn't push anything on the mobo really, depends on your CPU. I doubt your CPU will reach 500FSB, but 440ish is possible.
Strap setting: 333 (1333MHz)

Remember that beyond a certain point you will need to change your PL setting. PL6 is good for stock, might get you to around 320-400FSB. PL7 will get you to around 450FSB, PL8 500FSB+. These are not set in stone values, but rather average guidelines. Its not uncommon to need PL8 for total stability beyond 400FSB and PL9 for total stability beyond 500FSB. Your OCing will also be limited by how good your RAM is. For example, if your RAM tops out at 800MHz, 400FSB will be your limit on a 333 strap, forget about 400 strap, its crap.

Well, I've got my system running as good as I can get it:

FSB 433
Multi 8x
Strap 333
PL 10
VCORE 1.4750
FSBTERM 1.26
NB 1.3
SB 1.2
PCIE 1.5

So, 3.0GHz at the CPU and 1040MHz at the RAM. Not too bad, ram's rated at 1066 5-5-5-12 (2x2GB Kit), which it's running right now.

2 hours of OCCT testing passed A-OK. Max temp on cores 0/1 reaching 50 degrees C, and max temp on cores 2/3 reaching 40 degrees C. Max temp on NB reaching 40 degrees C. Not too shabby!

I'm happy !

I tried for 3.45GHz with the 8x multi, pushed 1.525V VCORE and 1.30V FSB-TERM but couldn't get Vista x64 to boot. Same boat with a 466 FSB at 6/7 multi. I wasn't about to push anymore volts anywhere without liquid. Maybe during the summer I can liquid cool the CPU/NB/SB/GPU, we'll see, cost pending.

Thank You very much for your help there, Ket! I wouldn't be running here without your help!

[Ket]

NP Rather than being over-zelous I give people averages. Odd exceptions of say, where you can run PL7 @ 500+FSB, is just that, a EXCEPTION. By far not everybody will get results like that, and its plain foolishness for anyone to claim just because they can run PL7, everybody can.

I didn't become (as many seem to call me) "The Don" of P45, for no reason

[Ket]

Well, I've got my system running as good as I can get it:

FSB 433
Multi 8x
Strap 333
PL 10
VCORE 1.4750
FSBTERM 1.26
NB 1.3
SB 1.2
PCIE 1.5

So, 3.0GHz at the CPU and 1040MHz at the RAM. Not too bad, ram's rated at 1066 5-5-5-12 (2x2GB Kit), which it's running right now.

2 hours of OCCT testing passed A-OK. Max temp on cores 0/1 reaching 50 degrees C, and max temp on cores 2/3 reaching 40 degrees C. Max temp on NB reaching 40 degrees C. Not too shabby!

I'm happy !

I tried for 3.45GHz with the 8x multi, pushed 1.525V VCORE and 1.30V FSB-TERM but couldn't get Vista x64 to boot. Same boat with a 466 FSB at 6/7 multi. I wasn't about to push anymore volts anywhere without liquid. Maybe during the summer I can liquid cool the CPU/NB/SB/GPU, we'll see, cost pending.

Thank You very much for your help there, Ket! I wouldn't be running here without your help!

Try increasing your Vdimm to 2.2 - 2.26v, sounds like a memory limitation your running into there. Check your mems though with that voltage, if their getting pretty hot, slam a fan over them.

[razorex]

I forgot to mention my other settings.

AI Tweak:

Cpu ratio - x8
Fsb Frequency - 500Mhz
PCIE Frequency - Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge - 333 Mhz
Dram Frequency - 1002 Mhz
DRAM Timing Control - Auto (5-5-5-15)
Static: Disabled
Training: Disabled
Charger: Enabled
Twister: Light
PL 10
Cpu Voltage - 1,30 V
GTL Voltage Rference - Auto
CPU PLL Voltage - 1.50v - 1.62v
FSB Termination Voltage - 1.20v - 1.36v
Dram Voltage - 1.9v - 2.24v
NB Voltage - 1,20v - 1.38v
SB Voltage - 1,10 - 1.2v
PCIE Sata Voltage - Auto
Loadline: Auto
Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Skew - Auto
NB Skew - Auto
CPU Margin: Optimized

I'm using the 1406 bios. Anything i can do better?

[Ket]

PLL voltage is kinda high, try 1.54 or 1.56v. FSB Term. is a bit high too, try 1.3v. Your Vcore might be a bit low too, increase it to 1.35-1.4v

[jbruneau]

Try increasing your Vdimm to 2.2 - 2.26v, sounds like a memory limitation your running into there. Check your mems though with that voltage, if their getting pretty hot, slam a fan over them.

I will try to give that a shot later tonight perhaps...

I shouldn't have to worry about heat. I'm running the Corsair Dominator's with the CrossFlow fans that come included in the package. Nice setup!

Thx again Ket!