ok so i finally was able to lower the vcore.

Bios F6a
200*21 = 4.2GHz
x36, x17, x8
vcore 1.40
qpi/vtt 1.38
cpu pll 1.88
ddr3 1.66
qpi pll 1.14
HT off
All energy saver functions off

idle temp 38-42 load temp 55-60
TRUE is working like a dream i have a push pull going, TRUE is very good at controlling temps under load, better than it is at idle, i guess it works more efficiently due to higher heat.