OCZ to come out with new VERTEX SSD,S equiped with 64MB OF CACHE starting at $129

[Tony]

Im not blaming anyone...the world record was broken with cheap drives on high end raid with MFT...

I just think you guys are fixated with IOmeter when there is no need. I just noticed hdtune pro has a nice feature where you can monitor the HDD for reads writes and IO's. Run it just before you start PCmark vantage HDD suit and watch what the drive actually does. i have seen the odd spike to 4k IO's (writes)but 99% of the time its sat at 0>50

Interesting to actually watch what is happening real time.

[alfaunits]

Personally, and I do say this without bashing anyone/any company ...
As a consumer:
If I am to give that kind of amount for SSDs I want performance that does surpass VelociRaptor in most things... not just boot...since VR @200 is 300GB, and an SSD is max 60GB. Apex/Core aren't that
As myself, for what I need hard drives:
I want something faster than VR... not because of the price, not asking for 0.01$/GB prices or anything close, I jut want something much faster than VR.

Don't tell me I'm not an average consumer, this is not an average forum

[Griff805]

Well, regarding the "low cost drive" vs the "High cost Intel" - If you look at the latest prices for Vertex and Intel x25-m on Amazon, you'll find:

Vertex 60G = $285.99 divided by 60 (gigs) = 4.77/GB
X25-M 80G = $369.00 divided by 80 (gigs) = 4.612/GB

So much for being a cheaper alternative that's almost as fast- does that make the Vertex a Cheap drive at a High Cost?

[FoxRacR17]

Well, regarding the "low cost drive" vs the "High cost Intel" - If you look at the latest prices for Vertex and Intel x25-m on Amazon, you'll find:

Vertex 60G = $285.99 divided by 60 (gigs) = 4.77/GB
X25-M 80G = $369.00 divided by 80 (gigs) = 4.612/GB

So much for being a cheaper alternative that's almost as fast- does that make the Vertex a Cheap drive at a High Cost?

That is very true when you look at it like that. Is the X25-M really that much better then everything on the market? If it is then I will have to get me one of those instead of the vertex.

[m^2]

There are no Vertex reviews yet, nobody knows how does it stack against X-25M. Intel drive isn't a wonder, has problems too, but probably is better than anything cheaper on the market now.

[Halk]

I don't think the price per GB is a useful way to compare them. I think what's probably more useful is comparing the total cost of the end product. For the 80GB Intel that's probably all you would buy, and it'd make a decent fast PC. For anyone on X58 2 Vertex drives would (based on what we know so far) beat the Intel in every department. What we know so far is 200MB/sec, no JMicron problems and 32MB of cache on each drive. I think it's really about how much you want to spend and from that point either OCZ or Intel will provide the best bang for buck. The prices used in the comparison don't look like the prices I see in the UK. The 60GB Vertex is £207 while the Intel is £362. For the price of the Intel you could get 3 30GB Vertex drives. Of course by that point you've gone past what motherboards can do.

[RealTelstar]

Well, regarding the "low cost drive" vs the "High cost Intel" - If you look at the latest prices for Vertex and Intel x25-m on Amazon, you'll find:

Vertex 60G = $285.99 divided by 60 (gigs) = 4.77/GB
X25-M 80G = $369.00 divided by 80 (gigs) = 4.612/GB

So much for being a cheaper alternative that's almost as fast- does that make the Vertex a Cheap drive at a High Cost?

The Vertex, according to the spec sheet, will have higher write speed and slower read speed compared to intel MLC unit.
Therefore, it should be better for a IOP intensive environment.

Typical desktop usage is 80% read and 20% writes.
Heavy multitasking will also benefit from faster writes.

Like most people here, I'm waiting for a comparison between these units.
About the price, it's also a matter of capacity and raid setup. Smaller capacity is actually a benefit. I'll use either 30 or 60gb units, those 80GB are still too expensive *per drive*.

[Halk]

That was the point I was trying to make

4 30GB Vertex for me, and likely a 5805.

[Lu(ky]

That was the point I was trying to make

4 30GB Vertex for me, and likely a 5805.

Me too first I will try the onboard on my Asus P6T Del, then move to something better if I need it...

[One_Hertz]

That was the point I was trying to make

4 30GB Vertex for me, and likely a 5805.

I'd do some research on raid cards if you are thinking of 5805. And some general research as well looking at your other posts.

[Tony]

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ewpost&t=51112

[F@32]

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ewpost&t=51112

You're such a tease. I'd RAID a 30gb pair of those and flash with your secret sauce FW if it to be released into the wild. What's funny, is that Vertex2 will probably follow pretty soon. They'd better adopt SATA3 for those...

I have to say, OCZ Forums is probably one of the strongest marketing forces out there. Good for ya, guys. Your forums probably sell more than all Internet ads combined ;-)

[Tony]

If you want balls out speed the 120's and 250's are the fastest. 30's are 60's are a little slower. Dailytech made mention of why...

Their 120GB and 250GB models will exhibit faster speeds due to the fact that the controller has access to a greater number of channels, providing a significant boost to read and write speeds over what was previously announced.

[m^2]

So 30s are gonna be slower...Fine, having upper bound is useful too, but the lower one would surely be better.

But thanks anyway.

[TimoneX]

That's unfortunate given that I believe most are hoping Vertex can eliminate stuttering on ICHR. If the smaller drives are slower then it will be less attractive to desktop users since most enthusiasts will prefer 2+ smaller drives in RAID0 to a single larger drive. Really large SSD's w/o stuttering issues will be attractive to notebook users. Bummer.

[Praz]

That's unfortunate given that I believe most are hoping Vertex can eliminate stuttering on ICHR. If the smaller drives are slower then it will be less attractive to desktop users since most enthusiasts will prefer 2+ smaller drives in RAID0 to a single larger drive. Really large SSD's w/o stuttering issues will be attractive to notebook users. Bummer.

Nothing you wrote has anything to do with stuttering so not sure how the smaller drive is an unfortunate situation.

[TimoneX]

Nothing you wrote has anything to do with stuttering so not sure how the smaller drive is an unfortunate situation.

The current topic appeared to be 30 & 60GB Vertex drives' lower performance compared to 120 & 250 Vertex drives. Sans the JMicron controller & with cache added I certainly wouldn't expect any stuttering issues. Thought we moved past that topic pages ago.

I think alot of people(enthusiasts) are in a holding pattern with regard to SSD's due to stuttering issues with drives equipped with JMicron controllers. Vertex is highly anticipated because it is the first OCZ SSD product without these controllers. I find the news that 30 & 60GB Vertex's will be lower performing parts to be disappointing given the hype surrounding this product. I believe these will be(would have been?) the drives of choice for most enthusiasts. 2x60GB drives would have been my first choice since 120GB's of SSD would suit my desktop needs perfectly.

Edit: Vertex is the first OCZ SSD MLC product without the JMicron controller...at least to my knowledge.

[One_Hertz]

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ewpost&t=51112

How cute, so much Intel talk in that thread, but when people mention it under a different context they get... gasp.... banned?

1. Que is 10 = unreal results
2. Drive is not what will ship out
3. Fast small writes are due to cache
4. Same type of results that showed the V2 to have 170mb/s reads, when in reality even 150 was entirely unbreakable on the overwhelming majority of systems out there.

Good marketing.

[Oats]

The 30 and 60gig apex drives are slower as well.

I was thinking I would pick up some cheap JMicron drives to HW raid0 but it seems like Vertex might be almost as fast with just one drive. I guess I'm back to waiting to see user reviews of the drives before I buy anything.

[Griff805]

How cute, so much Intel talk in that thread, but when people mention it under a different context they get... gasp.... banned?

1. Que is 10 = unreal results
2. Drive is not what will ship out
3. Fast small writes are due to cache
4. Same type of results that showed the V2 to have 170mb/s reads, when in reality even 150 was entirely unbreakable on the overwhelming majority of systems out there.

Good marketing.

I am thinking it's all just good marketing as well- But, I'm hoping that these Vertex drives really do perform as well as OCZ is leading us all to believe. It can only mean greater things for customers. More competition is always good.

This new indilinx controller has HUGE shoes to fill after all this anticipation- However, if it really is what it is- then i'll be picking up a few. If it's not, well I hope the OCZ crew is ready for some backlash from the community- Speeds are one thing, reliability and compatibilty are another.

[F@32]

The 30 and 60gig apex drives are slower as well.

I was thinking I would pick up some cheap JMicron drives to HW raid0 but it seems like Vertex might be almost as fast with just one drive. I guess I'm back to waiting to see user reviews of the drives before I buy anything.

I wished mate. If one 60Gb vertex was as fast as two Core V2, it would make it 310MB/s at sequential reads (I get 155MB/s on ICH9) which I find hard to believe. My bet is that single 120Gb vertex will manage in 200-230 range, but not 300. Vertex2 might be different story...

[Griff805]

Anyone know if any other companies area going to be using this new Indilinx controller? I assume G.Skill, Patriot, and Super Talent will be releasing their drives with this controller soon as well.

[GNU]

That is very true when you look at it like that. Is the X25-M really that much better then everything on the market? If it is then I will have to get me one of those instead of the vertex.

I believe the X25-E will be better than the Vertex but I will wait for the Benchmarks.

[m^2]

I wished mate. If one 60Gb vertex was as fast as two Core V2, it would make it 310MB/s at sequential reads (I get 155MB/s on ICH9) which I find hard to believe. My bet is that single 120Gb vertex will manage in 200-230 range, but not 300. Vertex2 might be different story...

Don't judge performance only by throughput numbers. Alone they are almost worthless.

[Tony]

Gentlemen..the 30 and 60 are slower due to less nand in the drives...same controller, same FW less channels used by the conrtroller...Dailytech explain why they are slower fully.

I have not banned anyone who is constructive with comments on my forum, I banned one person for disrespecting me on another forum.

lastly, I can not bench my drives and show you everything you want, i have just heard my drives are 3 generations back from what shipped to reviewers, If i show you everything will it be as true representation of what you will buy?

If you read my thread on OCZ I have said the bench was in an ideal world, no data, spare...etc, i also fully know the drives will slow with an OS on them. I have never hidden this fact...just look at my Apex numbers on my old HP laptop...do they look as good as Gskills??? I think NOT.

Man I try to do the right thing by you guys and you moan at me...im here to sell ocz product yes...but I also listen. maybe i should just do what the motherboard pimps do... post and vanish?