Anand: PII vs. Q9550 vs. i7 crossfire, Phenom II = smoother

[shoehorned]

Wow are you guys seriously getting heated about this stuff? Well, you know what they say about arguing over the internet!

[Macadamia]

This thread is so awesome just because it makes the pathetic truly be pathetic.


Good job guys.

[Aura89]

Wow i read through like half of this thread and gave up, i read this thread a couple hours ago and it had just got to 2 pages and then i come back a little bit ago and it was 6 pages, now it's 9 pages....wanted to see what people were discussing about...my conclusion:

the AMD side of people trying to tell their completely legitimate side of things and happy that AMD is doing something good as they have been in the gutter for awhile now, and:

the Intel side trying to say everything is a hoax, AMD is failure, it will always be failure, and that even if AMD is 10 times faster per clock then Intel is at some point, AMD will SOMEHOW still be a failure and their CPU's will suck horribly, as if Intel is some sort of god

Wow Intel people, get your stuff together and stop trying to justify to yourself why you bought an i7 940/965 or any other massively overpriced CPU from Intel, we don't, intel people don't, and no one cares that you think Intel is god, worship them, and speak of AMD as if they are the devil and that no matter how good they do you'll always be saying it's a hoax....because it's AMD, no one cares, go be religious about your CPU somewhere else

[TL1000S]

Wow i read through like half of this thread and gave up, i read this thread a couple hours ago and it had just got to 2 pages and then i come back a little bit ago and it was 6 pages, now it's 9 pages....wanted to see what people were discussing about...my conclusion:

the AMD side of people trying to tell their completely legitimate side of things and happy that AMD is doing something good as they have been in the gutter for awhile now, and:

the Intel side trying to say everything is a hoax, AMD is failure, it will always be failure, and that even if AMD is 10 times faster per clock then Intel is at some point, AMD will SOMEHOW still be a failure and their CPU's will suck horribly, as if Intel is some sort of god

Wow Intel people, get your stuff together and stop trying to justify to yourself why you bought an i7 940/965 or any other massively overpriced CPU from Intel, we don't, intel people don't, and no one cares that you think Intel is god, worship them, and speak of AMD as if they are the devil and that no matter how good they do you'll always be saying it's a hoax....because it's AMD, no one cares, go be religious about your CPU somewhere else

Interesting as a social study and how people are "able" to interprete communication in a certain direction.

I could easily have written the same "conclution" but instead of puttin' the blame on "people from the dark side" I would say that the most blinded fanbois is from the "not-so-dark side".

BTW:
Just using expressions like "The dark side" sure do disqualify any further arguments from these people. Then we are discussing religion/believers and that has nothing to do with hw/benches/numbers.
Sick.

[Final8ty]

Looks around, ahh, there's the hat..


Now to the AMD guys:
I read down thru page one here and God's truth it sounded like you were waiting and baiting some Blue guy to come in and start something so you take some of the responsibility also.

Let's keep it nice and friendly for all.
Thanks for reading.

I will admit to that & many more here, but it was a pre-emptive strike as there is no doubt from experience that they were going to come regardless.

Skim..skim..ignore..skim..read...LOL...Owned... skim :door:

[Rammsteiner]

This thread is so awesome just because it makes the pathetic truly be pathetic.


Good job guys.

+1

I mean, it's been known for so long that most likely the use of HT and IMC's are the reason for a slightly smoother experience. i7 is because of that smooth as well.

I wont be saying Ph(II) is smoother than any Intel setup, I cant say because Ive nothing to compare. But the people who did have both pretty much all agreed they noticed the same. Now why would someone with a faster system, skt 775, still say that over a slower system, AM2(+). Obviously it takes rocket science to just accept this rather than naming everyone blinded.

Or as I quoted pretty nicely, it makes the pathetic truly be pathetic. However, their loss, not mine. Just a shame this happens in about any thread

[Titan7171]

So whats the verdict?? 7 games in total, in 5 Intel and amd are = and in the other 2 AMD ='s smoother.........so whats that? AMD 7 .......Intel 5? or is it AMD 2 Intel 0?

COD

We did not notice any difference in game play quality at either resolution between the platforms after playing through several of the levels. Each platform offered a very smooth and fluid gaming experience. We thought the higher minimum frame rates on the Intel systems would be noticeable during the action scenes in the jungle, but we honestly could not tell the systems apart during testing.

Crysis warhed

After playing through the several levels on each platform, we thought the Phenom II 940 offered a better overall gaming experience in this title than the Intel Q9550 based on smoother game play. It is difficult to quantify without a video capture, but player movement and weapon control just seemed to be more precise. Of course, if you have the funds, we would recommend the i7 platform for best possible performance.

Fallout3

As far as game play experiences, we noted no differences between the Intel Q9550 and Phenom II 940 platforms. Each one offered a very good experience with minimum frame rates on each platform being acceptable. The amount of LOD adjustments in game was disconcerting at times . When we experienced them, the game stutter was minimized on the i7 setup compared to the other two platforms with CrossFire enabled. All three platforms responded in the same manner with a single card setup. Overall, we would not recommend CrossFire for this game, even overclocking the processors resulted in a minimum improvement in frame rates.

Farcry2 i7 showed better results here

When it comes to game play experience and not benchmark tests, all three platforms responded the same at our specified settings. We did not notice any advantages with the improved frame rates that the i7 offers over the other two platforms. However, with the i7 we could change the graphic settings to Very High and increase AA to 4x and still experience very good game play. It was as if nothing changed except now we were looking at the savannahs of Africa in a much better way. These same settings were not always a pleasant experience on the other two platforms during heavy action scenes, but the game remained playable for the most part.

L4D

Our game play experiences revealed no differences between the three platforms. Although the frame rates were lower with the Phenom II, it just did not matter in this game as minimum frame rates were at 60fps or higher in our tests.

Grid

Once again, our game play notes indicate there is no difference between the three platforms at our settings. Although frame rates were higher with the i7 in CrossFire mode, there was no appreciable difference in game play quality

COH

Now that we have discussed the numbers, what about game play experience? As we alluded to earlier, the Intel platforms had problems with minimum frame rates throughout testing, not just in the benchmarks, but also during game play in various levels and on-line. We have not nailed it down yet, but we have noticed this problem consistently. In the meantime, the Phenom II X4 940 had rock solid frame rates and offered the smoothest game play experience

Good job AMD!

[Scubar]

The article is quite funny. They go on about "smooth gameplay"

They cant mean Timed demos because those have all concluded that the Intels do tend to do alot better in Min/Avg and Max fps

I can only put it down to them actually playing the games themselves in which case it means the human factor comes into the equation of not following the exact same path or doing the exact same thing.

The last one they say the Phenom II felt smoother yet min fps never dropped below 60fps therefor you wouldnt notice the difference anyway. just like they stated earlier on in the review. They seem to not notice a difference in 9fps in min fps but yet as soon as its a 2fps difference it suddenly "feels" smoother.

The Phenom II certainly seems to be a solid performer but all this "Smoothness" arguement is just a load of crap really. Ive played on Phenom II and C2Q and i dont think either is "Smoother" than the other.

[haylui]

As long as AMD continue to exist and keeping Intel and Nvidia HONEST about the price of their product, I'd be more than happy.
Not everytime AMD can come out with product like Athlon64 and HD4xxx series that beat could Intel and Nvidia.

[Rammsteiner]

The Phenom II certainly seems to be a solid performer but all this "Smoothness" arguement is just a load of crap really. Ive played on Phenom II and C2Q and i dont think either is "Smoother" than the other.

If you found nothing, it doesnt mean it's crap

As Ive said before, if multiple people claim to notice a difference, while the Intel system is certainly faster, then why would they still say so?

It's not like fanboys are going to buy an Intel PC and try that way to proof that AMD is better. It's not something that's dropping out of the sky on a sunny day. Im not claiming you're just crapping around, dont get me wrong, if you didnt notice it, that's possible. I cant even tell if it's true or not since I dont have an Intel system. However to claim it's all rubbish, non-excistant and typical fanboy gibberish (I know you didnt call it that way, others did though), IMO that's showing off some huge ignorance.

As said, whether it's true or not, I wont be able to tell. However I never would call the slower but smoother stuff crap, although, it'
s not an excuse for the eventual lack of performance, if say a PhII system is only pulling 3fps it would be rather weird to come out with the 'but it's smooth!' stuff. Well, you get the point I guess

[Hornet331]

If you found nothing, it doesnt mean it's crap

As Ive said before, if multiple people claim to notice a difference, while the Intel system is certainly faster, then why would they still say so?

there are also many people that claim to have seen the yeti/bigfoot/ufos/aliens etc.

as long as people claim, and dont deliver data or situations where it is reproduceable its nothing but more but a myth.

[Particle]

I wasn't surprised to see this thread explode like it did. It wasn't more than a few months back that we had this same conversation regarding Agena. I think the Intel side has a bull horn that sounds any time there's something AMD for them to stomp all over. heh

My prediction from the first page may now make more sense to you guys:

Smoother? Uh-oh!

[Mav451]

I'm still trying to get my head around this. It's not so much the insinuation that AMD is smoother or not, but the accusation that Intel "stutters".
I personally think that's a problem confined to dual-GPU (Xfire or SLI), and not necessarily the platform itself. Because of this, when I hear the accusation I'm seeing less of a logical argument, and more of a partisan mud-slinging instead. There may or may not be proof that AMD is smoother, but where is the proof that Intel stutters?

My friend is on a quad, I'm on an e8400, and my friend is on a e6600. We all upgraded from A64's, and not one of us has had a supposed "clairvoyance" moment of "oh fack, Intel stutters! Fail!"

[iandh]

Interesting as a social study and how people are "able" to interprete communication in a certain direction.

I could easily have written the same "conclution" but instead of puttin' the blame on "people from the dark side" I would say that the most blinded fanbois is from the "not-so-dark side".

BTW:
Just using expressions like "The dark side" sure do disqualify any further arguments from these people. Then we are discussing religion/believers and that has nothing to do with hw/benches/numbers.
Sick.

I would then again have to contradict your statement. I use AMD and Intel systems on a daily basis and have parts from both companies sitting in my closet (more intel than AMD in fact atm), yet still prefer my AMD system for gaming.

What does that make me?

I try to share my experiences about my AMD SYSTEM in the AMD FORUM and get zerg rushed by a bunch of douches that have already called BS before even considering that there could be some truth to this.

Then I find an article which further confirms my personal experiences, and now instead of "Pure BS, Lies, Fanboy", I get "Ok maybe it did stutter but its because of 26 reasons other than the platform".... what kind of chicken backstepping argument is that?


People can't open their minds a little and see past a brand logo long enough to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE, they don't know EVERYTHING there is to know about PC's and how they perform in different situations... sad.

Instead of discussion, we just end up with a thread full of poorly veiled insults, speculation, and braindead intellitubbies trying to pose as intellectuals.

The article is quite funny. They go on about "smooth gameplay"

They cant mean Timed demos because those have all concluded that the Intels do tend to do alot better in Min/Avg and Max fps

I can only put it down to them actually playing the games themselves in which case it means the human factor comes into the equation of not following the exact same path or doing the exact same thing.

The last one they say the Phenom II felt smoother yet min fps never dropped below 60fps therefor you wouldnt notice the difference anyway. just like they stated earlier on in the review. They seem to not notice a difference in 9fps in min fps but yet as soon as its a 2fps difference it suddenly "feels" smoother.

The Phenom II certainly seems to be a solid performer but all this "Smoothness" arguement is just a load of crap really. Ive played on Phenom II and C2Q and i dont think either is "Smoother" than the other.

Your post is a load of crap.

I love because how YOU didn't notice a difference, all of a sudden that means that nobody else possibly could have... wow. Who died and made you omniscient supreme being?

The several complete intel rigs sitting in my closet and AMD rig sitting on my desk say you are WRONG.


Your argument about 2fps vs. 9fps is meaningless, and can not possibly relate in any way to which game would have stuttering/hitches. Just more derailment to take attention away from the point we have been trying to stay on this whole thread.

I swear, every review site on the entire net could post an article confirming this and you still would somehow find the balls to think that your opinion somehow causes the experiences of hundreds of hardware users and now this review site to vanish and become invalid.

Oh wait, I think I see a yeti outside...

[marten_larsson]

there are also many people that claim to have seen the yeti/bigfoot/ufos/aliens etc.

as long as people claim, and dont deliver data or situations where it is reproduceable its nothing but more but a myth.

Doesn't mean it has to be less true because people can't prove it. I think the rather large number of people experiencing this shows that there is a possibility this is true. But at the same time, placebo is very effective.

Also most are saying this is a phenomenon that is experienced at occasions rather than consistent. This makes it harder to research. A double blind test with different platforms would be interesting but I don't think there's that many researchers wanting to spend a couple of millions on investigating the matter which probably would be required.

[Movieman]

Gentlemen, all I want to say is this;
Keep it up and someone will be going on an all expense paid vacation of 30 days length..
I hope you understand that I hate banning people but when people insist on bashing one another there is no alternative.
Thanks for reading and don't come screaming when you find your account with the word BANNED on it.

[Scubar]

Your post is a load of crap.

I love because how YOU didn't notice a difference, all of a sudden that means that nobody else possibly could have... wow. Who died and made you omniscient supreme being?

The several complete intel rigs sitting in my closet and AMD rig sitting on my desk say you are WRONG.

I could say exactely the same thing. Trying to argue over something as petit as this is just immature, you need to chill out and stop taking everything so seriously/personally. Its only a CPU.

there are also many people that claim to have seen the yeti/bigfoot/ufos/aliens etc.

as long as people claim, and dont deliver data or situations where it is reproduceable its nothing but more but a myth.

That sums up the whole debate.


This thread has gone abit pointless really. The bottom line is that both the AMD Phenom II and the Intel Core2Quad architectures provide solid evenly matched platforms for gaming with.

All we need now is AMD to bring out something to challenge Intels Core i7 platform. Its no use bringing out something thats only challenging an old architecture thats been out for a year and a half.

[Brother Esau]

there are also many people that claim to have seen the yeti/bigfoot/ufos/aliens etc.

I have seen a UFO not Bigfoot though but....then again Intel Camp Being Wrong about anything is ....About as Rare as a Bigfoot Sighting At McDonalds now isn't it?

Would you clowns leave and grow up and act your age? Whatever that may be.

I have owned both Intel Quads and AMD Quads and even at much lower clock rate on Phenom 9850 BE (2.8ghz) vs Q6600 @3.55ghz the AMD was Smoother and more Fluent in Game Play! So unless you Posers have a Intel Quad System & a AMD Quad System you cannot compare and you opinion means MOOT!

This is the only place that we can discuss this "Smoother" Phenomena and us being right without get Gang Raped could you all please do as Movieman says before you get you asses Banned?

[Rammsteiner]

there are also many people that claim to have seen the yeti/bigfoot/ufos/aliens etc.

as long as people claim, and dont deliver data or situations where it is reproduceable its nothing but more but a myth.

True on the alien/big foot thing. Still it doesnt make sense if they can have their C2Q @ 4Ghz screaming at games but claim the Ph to be smoother anyhow I dont think it's possible to log in numbers, maybe when fpms is used? Like the micro stuttering on 3870X2's, it took some time before it was able to be shown anyway.

Thanks for reading and don't come screaming when you find your account with the word BANNED on it.

I never could see that Everytime I visited I got a message I was banned But not as in a subtitle

PS, no need to try and show me though Thx though

[Meizuman]

Someone said something about "blind testing"... I think this would be REALLY good idea!

For example, HiFi was in some point just benching and benching, who had the flattest frequency response, less distortion and all of that. And all those things were just measured/benched. And then in some point they actually started to LISTEN to the components and the whole point of HiFi started to make more sense. (I have read about this, I think the measuring "madness" was somewhere in the 80's)

I would really like to see some blind testing and little "deeper" analysing... Of the game EXPERIENCE itself... First some blind testing and analysis of few gamers about what each system felt like. And only after that the systems would be really benched.

I remember seeing some sort of review/comparison of Ati/Nvidia cards and drivers. In some test they measured the frame time... and back then Ati had some problems and the frame times were kinda unequal and "bounced" more. Maybe this kind of testing would show the "smoothness" better.

But can stuttering even be monitored with software? How about high speed camera to record game play from a monitor and after recording, analysing the video somehow...? I think the analysing could be done easily with software...

Sorry for bad english or if this sound like random nonsensesness

[iandh]

Gentlemen, all I want to say is this;
Keep it up and someone will be going on an all expense paid vacation of 30 days length..
I hope you understand that I hate banning people but when people insist on bashing one another there is no alternative.
Thanks for reading and don't come screaming when you find your account with the word BANNED on it.

I apologize, I'll tone it down a little.

I could say exactely the same thing. Trying to argue over something as petit as this is just immature, you need to chill out and stop taking everything so seriously/personally. Its only a CPU.

"Hey guys I'm going to tell nearly every person in this thread that they're full of crap but nobody take it personal k?"

That sums up the whole debate.

According to that logic, electrical current didn't exist until man constructed the first battery.

This thread has gone abit pointless really.

At least in part due to folks like yourself who are more interested in telling us how full of crap we all are and feigning surprise when we get offended, instead of actually attempting to explain what happened in the tests quoted in the OP.

I have owned both Intel Quads and AMD Quads and even at much lower clock rate on Phenom 9850 BE (2.8ghz) vs Q6600 @3.55ghz the AMD was Smoother and more Fluent in Game Play! So unless you Posers have a Intel Quad System & a AMD Quad System you cannot compare and you opinion means MOOT!

Evidently the words "nope wrong doesn't exist" are more valid than actual experience.

Someone said something about "blind testing"... I think this would be REALLY good idea!

For example, HiFi was in some point just benching and benching, who had the flattest frequency response, less distortion and all of that. And all those things were just measured/benched. And then in some point they actually started to LISTEN to the components and the whole point of HiFi started to make more sense. (I have read about this, I think the measuring "madness" was somewhere in the 80's)

I would really like to see some blind testing and little "deeper" analysing... Of the game EXPERIENCE itself... First some blind testing and analysis of few gamers about what each system felt like. And only after that the systems would be really benched.

I remember seeing some sort of review/comparison of Ati/Nvidia cards and drivers. In some test they measured the frame time... and back then Ati had some problems and the frame times were kinda unequal and "bounced" more. Maybe this kind of testing would show the "smoothness" better.

But can stuttering even be monitored with software? How about high speed camera to record game play from a monitor and after recording, analysing the video somehow...? I think the analysing could be done easily with software...

Sorry for bad english or if this sound like random nonsensesness

No, that is a good post, thank you.

[soundood]

so what thier saying is that the Phenom II is smoother ya?

i gota agree here, my system is as smooth as smooth peanut butter on a smooth babys bum.

mmm maybe that just sounds wrooong?

you know what i mean smoother than smooth, smoother than you know, the smoothest thing you can find in your living room.

and intels are like sliding down a sandpaper chute naked

and in no way is this a shameless attempt to increase post count

[batmang]

This thread needs to be moderated. Whenever a thread includes a comparison between Intel and AMD its bound to be full of failure.

[Jupiler]

This thread needs to be moderated. Whenever a thread includes a comparison between Intel and AMD its bound to be full of failure.

In which way do you want it moderated?
Closing every thread where a AMD vs Intel comparision is done and published, because we all know that threads like these end in a crap and flame war?

We don't like closing threads just like that (some may think we do), but if no other option is left, then so be it.

I'm sure that many members want to discuss threads like this in a normal, mature way.
Unfortunately, this almost never happens and mods need to step in, closing threads and sending out warnings.


Like MM said, play it nice, make constructive posts and no crapping or flaming.

[roofsniper]

You'd think after all this time, someone would have written a recorder that records FPS and logs it once/second so that this sort of question can be answered...

fraps records the time at which the frames came out to a file.