AMD To Crank Up Phenom II Clock-Speeds Upto 3.50 GHz, Planning New Models

[Final8ty]

Actually, you left out the important part:

"No Current phenom II will go near a stable 3.6Ghz on low volts with a stock cooler, at high temperatures,"

Having a bad day?

Nope as you left out the fact that it will do it on stock Volts on the stock cooler.

[Zucker2k]

Nope as you left out the fact that it will do it on stock Volts on the stock cooler.

He was actually generous, he said "low volts."

[Final8ty]

Anything that is logically coherent and acts as an impediment to irrational hype is good.

mAJORD's post had those qualities in spades.

Which basically makes you the other side of the same coin.

[Final8ty]

He was actually generous, he said "low volts."

Which is wrong as the stock cooler has to handle stock volts which was the original point for comments about AMD releasing a 3.5 stock CPU.
He was basically saying that its very unlikely & we were just informing that in fact that is not so.

[Chad Boga]

Which basically makes you the other side of the same coin.

I guess thinking that makes it easier for you to sleep at night.

[YukonTrooper]

If they manage the 3.5Ghz/125W ,then AMD will have the needed chip to compete with i7 940,leaving only the 965 as the top chip without a direct competitor from green team.

I'd love for AMD to get on the same performance level as Intel, but they need a brand new architecture before competing with i7, not some little tweaks here and there with Deneb.

[Final8ty]

I guess thinking that makes it easier for you to sleep at night.

Makes no difference to me

[Oldguy932]

Sure, plenty of phenom II's can get to 3.6ghz on air... with 32 bit Windows. I just installed Windows 7 x64 and I can tell you that the difference between x86 and x64 and alot. 4ghz at 1.6v doing the 8k at prime in x64 made my evap head get all the way up into the -10's range, I can't touch temperatures that high with x86 and I do 4.16 stable with the new bios. I think its supposed to be rated to do 0C at 200W load, and if it climbs that much then its drawing more than that because at 1024k it was sitting at -40C.

Edit: But right now temperatures seem to be back under control with the voltage dropped to 1.575 in bios. Still draws much more power in x64 making 3.6ghz extremely hard to do on stock volts. My cpu isn't the greatest because it only does 3.48 on stock volts.

[MrMojoZ]

3.6 on intel was so 2005.

The AMD fanboys just do not grasp that even the intel people want good AMD products so intel has to work for our business. We get really tired of buying 8x multiplier cpus because AMD is behind.

Anyone reading the trash people post in the news forums knows that the Intel people don't give a flying crap if AMD puts out good products. Most of them would enjoy AMD going out of buisness. They just want someone to point at as the loser so they can make their snide comments and pat their cronies on the back. They swarm AMD news posts until the original content is destroyed or the thread is locked. And they do it over and over, the same people everytime. Just look at how a block of them showed up in this thread and started a little dump party. And just watch, the same people will be at it next time.
If you like Intel stuff great, they are making awesome products and we all know it. Why do you sorry excuses for people feel the need to drown AMD posts in negativity? It reflects very poorly on this community and it saddens me to know that I am going to have to wade through garbage just to get information I'd usually enjoy reading.

[Zucker2k]

Anyone reading the trash people post in the news forums knows that the Intel people don't give a flying crap if AMD puts out good products. Most of them would enjoy AMD going out of buisness. They just want someone to point at as the loser so they can make their snide comments and pat their cronies on the back. They swarm AMD news posts until the original content is destroyed or the thread is locked. And they do it over and over, the same people everytime. Just look at how a block of them showed up in this thread and started a little dump party. And just watch, the same people will be at it next time.
If you like Intel stuff great, they are making awesome products and we all know it. Why do you sorry excuses for people feel the need to drown AMD posts in negativity? It reflects very poorly on this community and it saddens me to know that I am going to have to wade through garbage just to get information I'd usually enjoy reading.

Why, you poor fanboi! getting all worked up over nothing; in the AMD section, you'd have been reported for this. Anyway, PHII is what we thought it would be; no, wait, lets, wait for the AM3 version of the 940, no wait, the 9990. Some of you just don't know when to quit.

[Sparky]

Congratulations!! The typical bunch has derailed yet another thread!



Everyone just grow up. Intel fanboys, please stop trashing every AMD thread there is. AMD fanboys, don't get sucked into it and participate in trashing your own threads. Ignore the comments that are obviously made to just stir up trouble.

Like my dad always told me when I was younger and got in a fight with my bro, it takes two to pick a fight.

[keithlm]

I must laugh when I see some of the tripe that is allowed in the AMD forum.

In the Intel section many of the people that have posted their garbage in this forum would have been warned within minutes of posting. Actually they probably would just got the banhammer.

But seriously. Awhile ago we had a lot of people that would post that the Phenom couldn't match the Q6600 using wording like: "The best AMD has can't compete with the cheapest Intel has". That was a very popular Intel fanboy tactic. Sadly many accepted it without question.

Now only an idiot would actually claim that. But now I see: "The PHII 940 can't compete with the Q9400" posts on various forums. So now the base argument has appeared to have changed. But the Q9400 is not enough... the Q9550 is much closer to the PHII 940.

Luckily the PHII has no problem with beating the Q9400. Now it is actually pushing the Q9550 around in performance. But the PHII has a better architecture. Go figure. But the Q series chips use an older obsolete design.

Of course then you'll still see the "clock per clock" argument. But that was not valid even when it was first brought up.

You must compare chips that COST about the same. Period. If one is clocked slower... WHO CARES. Does one chip beat the other. Answer yes or no now. DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION.

Especially when one overclocks more than the other; to the point that any "clock per clock" argument means absolutely nothing. What can the PHII do versus the Q9550 on good cooling.

Sorry I am into my cups tonight. But I still can't swallow the tripe we are fed by some of these people.

[Brother Esau]

Good to see all of you other guys expressing your thoughts on this constant AMD News Thread Kicking and bashing as its getting quite old and I a myself am sick and tired of it!

My stance has nothing what so ever to do with AMD/Intel its the Principal of the matter that infuriates me to no end and the Blue team just still wont acknowledge that this is the sole reason why most of us are madder then hell over this situation. Yes and we all watch the mods allow this to continue and sanction these Thread Crappers and Flame Baiters but god forbid victims of the issue vocal their opinion on the matter.......God Forbid!

When are you high and Mighty (Which is in Your Heads) Intel Fan Boys gonna just be respectful of others preferrences , Like , Dislikes and feelings for christ sakes?
The reason its called a PC is because it stands for........."Personal Computer" and that means Personal Preference.

All of the usual's are full of crap and they know it! They don't come into the AMD News Section Threads for any other reason then to do what we have been claiming has been going on for over a year now....and you know what? That makes you bad people and Maybe you should reflect on the Bad Person statement above anything else. We are all just sick of your constant Psycho Babble its not Funny!

[Chad Boga]

Luckily the PHII has no problem with beating the Q9400. Now it is actually pushing the Q9550 around in performance. But the PHII has a better architecture. Go figure. But the Q series chips use an older obsolete design.

Of course then you'll still see the "clock per clock" argument. But that was not valid even when it was first brought up.

You must compare chips that COST about the same. Period. If one is clocked slower... WHO CARES. Does one chip beat the other. Answer yes or no now. DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION.

Especially when one overclocks more than the other; to the point that any "clock per clock" argument means absolutely nothing. What can the PHII do versus the Q9550 on good cooling.

Sorry I am into my cups tonight. But I still can't swallow the tripe we are fed by some of these people.

I don't see what you would need to apologise for in respect of the above text.

What you have said here is perfectly reasonable.

[Dante80]

Especially when one overclocks more than the other; to the point that any "clock per clock" argument means absolutely nothing. What can the PHII do versus the Q9550 on good cooling.

Actually, it will do worse than yorkfield-12 in most real life apps both in air and water. But that is not the point, it is again irrelevant with the thread.

I have to say though, there are certain intel fans that routinely go and bash/troll AMD related threads. I fail to understand their motives, I can certainly see though that they are degrading the value of XS tech discussions and offering nothing more than problems. As a long time XS lurker I find this revolting.

To all fanboys, intel or AMD, grow up or shut up. Its that simple, you are killing XS.

Now, can we get on topic please?

[Tonucci]

Depending on the price points these CPU's may sell quite well, 3.6+Ghz oc with decent consumption, clock /clock performance around kentsfield, cheaper platform all around...

The problem is, they are priced according to stock performance compared to the competition (and consumption somehow, mostly on the server/clusters market), Instead of overclock/performance/price ratio...like many of us would like.

[mAJORD]

Where have you been? Many PII's will do 3.6 stable on stock volts.

yup you been in the closet far too long, 3.6 is easy
maybe you just got a bunk one.... welcome to the cpu roulette wheel...

Sorry, having a PHII, and running an PH OC thread on another forum, I am not in the closet, and I'm yet to see a 100% prime stable 3.6Ghz, on stock or close to (1.375 or so) with a stock heatsink.. and I certainly haven't seen on locked up in a case.

Mine certainly isn't the best chip that's for sure, but it's average. I can show a 3.6 OC on the stock cooler, but not with 65c load temps priming for 24hours.. I highly doubt anyone else could either.. these things love cooling
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt about 3.5Ghz+ SKU's in due time, I have no doubts we'll see 3.6Gh stock HS stock volts Overclocks in a few months or so either as process improves so don't come back at me then either.

I've argued for that case numerous times by demonstrating the speed bumps on AM2 K8 when AMD were under pressure (Brisbane 2.6Ghz to 3.1ghz in 15mths over 1 new stepping)

but theres no way yet. they could release any more than they are, or at least no more than 1 other speed bin, (3.2Ghz)

[kemo]

Which is wrong as the stock cooler has to handle stock volts which was the original point for comments about AMD releasing a 3.5 stock CPU.
He was basically saying that its very unlikely & we were just informing that in fact that is not so.

Would you generously share your load temperatures @ 3.5GHZ with stock voltages 64bit OS prime using OCCT Linpack in a hot ambient lets say 30c room temperature and bad ventilated case along with stock TIM

[AbelJemka]

Would you generously share your load temperatures @ 3.5GHZ with stock voltages 64bit OS prime using OCCT Linpack in a hot ambient lets say 30c room temperature and bad ventilated case along with stock TIM

Same for i7
PhII + 30°C

[Final8ty]

Would you generously share your load temperatures @ 3.5GHZ with stock voltages 64bit OS prime using OCCT Linpack in a hot ambient lets say 30c room temperature and bad ventilated case along with stock TIM

LOL

[M_Isobe]

This news has been proved to be fake.
http://news-amd.de/

31.01.2009 - Fake - AMD Phenom II X4 Roadmap (AM3) ein Fake
Die Informationen der Insiderquellen waren ein Fake. Deshalb muss News-AMD.de die Informationen von gestern zurückziehen. Es erschien auch unlogisch von der Namensgebung her. AMD hat bisher den AMD Phenom II X4 925 und 945 vorgestellt, die mit 2,8 GHz bzw. 3,0 GHz takten. Deshalb würden die neuen CPUs gar nicht in das Namensschema passen. Deshalb verweist News-AMD.de auf den Artikel vom 19.01.2009, der eine logisches Namensschema zeigt, welches jedoch nur auf reiner Intuition basiert.

[English translation by Google]
The sources of insider information was a fake. Therefore, news AMD.de information from the retreat yesterday. It was also illogical by naming her. AMD has the AMD Phenom X4 II 925 and 945, which with 2.8 GHz and 3.0 GHz clock. Therefore, the new CPUs do not fit the naming scheme. Therefore news AMD.de refers to the article dated 19.01.2009, which is a logical naming scheme shows that only based on pure intuition.

[Shintai]

^^ bingo

[Frontl1ne]

Good grief, this fanboy is getting out of hand.

Hoorah, the fact that it was fake means more chance of AMD releasing that 4GHz FX chip

[Lightman]

My chip is one of the few doing 64bit 3.6GHz stock volts OCCTP stable in closed case. But it's cooled by True 120 Ultra + 12cm FAN (1200RPM).

I'm sure revision RB-C3 will bring a bit more stability at higher clocks and lower voltages at 3GHz clock. With that in mind and APM working on optimizing manufacturing process I would believe 3.5GHz SKU in couple of months time. But that would be pushing.

mAJORD is right in what he says. CPU needs to work in a variety of conditions, no matter if you live in snowy Finland or hot Kenya.

[largon]

I'm not really surprised that roadmap was fake. Given what AMD managed to pull out of their 65nm process they were striving to get rid of due to sheer die size of Agena, and how well their very first 45nm chips scale I would expect something like 4GHz+ at 125W by the end of the year.