The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[Grnfinger]

What were temps of cores? I think mine was idling 32ish and max was 50 when I cold air benched it, hotter made me drop core more. I got better results from clocking memry first than going after core because once it gets the heatsink so hot memory artifacts.. Heres a post its in.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=8002

My cores are like 67c+ on load, if you touch the back of the heatsink its actually to hot to leave your finger on for more than a few seconds.
Emailed the etailer about changing my order for a block instock and it would be easier to sell a kidney on the black market than to change my order, it piss's me off.
Maybe I'll let the card cool and test just ram clocks leaving the core's at stock not even run them at the factory OC settings.

Thanks for the link, off to read it now

[t_ski]

The parts are under water, except for the NB which still has the stock heatpipe assembly on it. After an hour session on OCCT im getting load temps up to 60c. Thinking of slapping my MCW30 on the NB since it's prolly running a bit too hot on the stock setup. Or I'll just back down to my safe settings Voltage on auto @ 3.2ghz temps under 50c.

hewi, take off the heatpipe assembly and replace the thermal compound with something decent, then post your results.

BTW, if you want to go H2O on the NB, you can pull the pipe out of the SB and use the stock SB heatsink like I did.

[loften]

Never fails, I'm waiting for stock on a new case and 4870X2 water block.
This sets me back atleast 10 days, while the case is less important, I need that water block to tame the blast furnace I have installed




Glad it worked

there has been a few posted on the for sale thread here.. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=214568

[Nuckin_Futs]

I need to pick a choice between tow OCZ 4g kits of 2x2g to use on an X38 and X48 based Maximus and Rampage. These are my two runner ups; OCZ Reaper HPC 4g kit @ 5-5-5-18 OCZ2RPR10664GK or the OCZ Platinum 4GB kit @ 5-5-5-18 OCZ2P10664GK.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227289 Reaper

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227298 OCZ

EDIT: What about this set by Patriot, a 4g, 2x2g kit feTURING iNTEL EPP. I haven't heard any high end overclocking reviews on these yet.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220314 Patriot

Has anybody here used eather and with what kind of results? I'm looking for 1150MHz or above to 1200MHz.

[Grnfinger]

OCZ Reapers were decent b4 2008 when they came with Micron D9GMH IC's now I'm not sure what they use.
Plat's are not my flavour but they also used to have great IC's b4 2008 and now not sure what there using.

Unsure on Patriot , I have seen mixed results with this ram and have never used it myself.

[hewi]

Nice case!!
I've always liked the style of Lian Li cases.
Well now your stable lets see some 3Dmark scores...

What kinda temps are you getting on your 4870X2 under water?
I'm still waiting for my block!

Thanks, im a huge fan of Lian Li cases...the older ones that is.
Breaks my heart to cut her open for a radiator, kinda ruined the clean lines of a V1000-S maybe I'll get another one and hide it somewhere.

My 4870X2 idles around 32c & loads well under 50c which is a huge improvement over the stock aircooler, was getting ridiculous temps 60-70c idle with 30% fan control.
The XSPC block does it's job remarkably well, and my loudest part now is the daymn velociraptor, soon to be replaced with some SSD goodness.

[hewi]

hewi, take off the heatpipe assembly and replace the thermal compound with something decent, then post your results.

BTW, if you want to go H2O on the NB, you can pull the pipe out of the SB and use the stock SB heatsink like I did.

Hey, thanks for the tip. i might try that or put some enzotec ram sinks or chiset sink on there. I kinda like the siple look on my loop tho, adding the NB will make my tube routing a bit more crowded. we'll see

[t_ski]

If you do add the NB into the loop, I strongly suggest some thick-walled tubing, as the bend from CPU to NB is pretty tight, I have a piece of 5/8" OD, 7/16" ID tubing (Masterkleer IIRC). They Tygon would kink no matter what I did.

[Grnfinger]

Ahh its not a bad bend, even cheapo tubing can do it.
But getting the NB on water will help alot for high FSB clocks

[Nuckin_Futs]

OK, thankx on the RAM feedback. I guess it is obvious I mean for today. So for whatever IC's are being used today. I nerrowed down the choices to either OCZ Reaper or Platinum as for what is comparable in cost. In general, what is concidered to be OCZ's higher OC performer.

also, whp is offering quality X48 compatable NB coolers recently. I am looking for full copper to go w/ Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper as I am moving the water kit to another new project.

if not too much more in cost, what are some good PC2-9600 (DDR1200) known to perform well on this MF x38 mobo? I like the idea of the OCZ FLEX-EX but do they perform well to rated spd on our boards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227405

[Grnfinger]

OK, thankx on the RAM feedback. I guess it is obvious I mean for today. So for whatever IC's are being used today. I nerrowed down the choices to either OCZ Reaper or Platinum as for what is comparable in cost. In general, what is concidered to be OCZ's higher OC performer.

also, whp is offering quality X48 compatable NB coolers recently. I am looking for full copper to go w/ Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper as I am moving the water kit to another new project.

if not too much more in cost, what are some good PC2-9600 (DDR1200) known to perform well on this MF x38 mobo? I like the idea of the OCZ FLEX-EX but do they perform well to rated spd on our boards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227405

Not sure about the Flex kit, but the GSkill 9600 kit is stellar, if you can afford them that is, A member here on XS has a kit for sale, I'd buy them and sell my 8800 kit but my spending days are done for a while after 2 water blocks a new case and my 4870X2 this past few weeks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=214795

[DemonsBlood]

Hi guys, I was wondering which board was better for overclocking an e5200 or q8200? The maximus formula or the new p5q-e...i know the p5q-e technically is p45( a newer chipset ) but the x38 chipset was a last-gen flagship so...which would be an overall better board to choose at the moment if they both costed the same?

[Grnfinger]

X38 is 45nm quad core FSB limited 425-430 will be you limit most likely, a few rare ones got higher buy not many
P5Q will most likely clock the quad higher...If you get the dual core grab a X38, if you get the quad core grab the P5Q my

[t_ski]

Ahh its not a bad bend, even cheapo tubing can do it.
But getting the NB on water will help alot for high FSB clocks

Depends on how you set it up, I guess. My CPU outlet and my NB inlet are about 4" apart or less. The thin-walled Tygon kept kinking.

[Grnfinger]

Depends on how you set it up, I guess. My CPU outlet and my NB inlet are about 4" apart or less. The thin-walled Tygon kept kinking.

I've never used Tygon tubing myself so you would know, I once was stuck when I redid the loop and had to use cheapo Home Depot tubing, 10 feet for 5 bucks!!!!!!!!! cause my primoflex was in the mail....

[viccan]

Killer Job I got me a RAMPAGE NOW

[ZenEffect]

If you do add the NB into the loop, I strongly suggest some thick-walled tubing, as the bend from CPU to NB is pretty tight, I have a piece of 5/8" OD, 7/16" ID tubing (Masterkleer IIRC). They Tygon would kink no matter what I did.

1/2' id tygon would work better but would require some clamps. you could try putting a twist in the tygon to get it to work.

I've never used Tygon tubing myself so you would know, I once was stuck when I redid the loop and had to use cheapo Home Depot tubing, 10 feet for 5 bucks!!!!!!!!! cause my primoflex was in the mail....

ive used tygon before AND cheap home depot tubing. tygon is more prone to scaling than the cheap home depot tubing but is about 100x more flexible.

personally, I will never buy anything else but the cheap home depot tubing because it fits the barbs tighter than tygon, its way cheaper , clear as glass, and i dont have any tight enough so it doesnt kink,. if it works well, and still looks good then use it.

[les_paulde]

Only "problem" I have with cheap home depot tubing is the fact that it allows the coolant to evaporate more quickly than tygon tubing, meaning I have to refill my sytem more often than before. But you guys are totally right that the price is unbeatable!

Also, I find that if there is a bend that is too tight, Swiftech coolsleeves are the answer, I have yet to find a bend that is unmakeable!

[Grnfinger]

I personally like Primoflex, is very soft and flexible, thick walled so kinks are not really an issue, if you do happen to get one a 90 degree or 45 degree barb can fix you right up.
Reasonably priced, I think 12 feeet was 26 bucks or so, problem is its getting harder to find Candian stores selling watercooling. So if I shop American I get hit with and extra 20-30 percent for currency exchange. NCIX sucks for service and there selection is rather poor. Direct Canada (is NCIX I'm sure of it) and there prices and shipping are great but there stock level is ratehr crappy.
Orderd my 4870X2 block on Jan 11, has yet to ship

[Kiwi76]

My cores are like 67c+ on load, if you touch the back of the heatsink its actually to hot to leave your finger on for more than a few seconds.

Now this is interesting. Under Orthos loads, (one of) my CPU core goes up to 65C even in Everest with the default TjMax of 100C, which Intel states (although there are compelling arguments it may be 95C). The CPU itself sometimes goes up to just under 65C, and the other core tops out around 60C. This is at 4.05GHz. At 4.275GHz, add ~5C to each.

I've long expected my CPU to be running much cooler than it's being reported as. I've lapped it, switched from a Freezer 7 Pro to a Xigmatech HDT s1283 (yes, I applied thermal paste correctly), and have great case airflow (Stacker 830SE with many fans). All of these efforts gave minimal or no improvement in temperatures, yet, the sensors aren't stuck. If I overclock, they go up, and if I underclock, they go way down. I simply think the CPU itself or motherboard sensors are way off.

I also think this because I always see others saying they have the same CPU with an weaker cooler, a non-lapped CPU, and comparable case cooling, and they get idle temperatures in the 20s, and loads under Orthos for the cores no higher than 45C. How, then, is mine running that much warmer, or is it really?

Get this. With the temperatures you listed above, you say it's too hot to touch. I can touch the base of the heatpipes on the cooler, and remember, the heatpipes are HDT touching the CPU itself, and I can not only hold my finger there at these supposed 65C+ (70C at 4.2GHz wasn't much warmer) temperatures, but it's barely even warm. My Northbriudge, by contrast, typically runs ~45C, and the heatpipe between it and the Soutbridge is much warmer, almost too hot to keep a touch on, but not quite.

Would I be safe then, to assume I can basically "ignore temperatures" and push it further? I got my E8400 the day after launch (January 21st was the first day Newegg had them in), and the batch number is in the signature in case it matters, and I remember these early ones had temperature issues. I'm thinking I got either I got one of them, or the motherboard just has really sensitive sensors.

[Grnfinger]

Now this is interesting. Under Orthos loads, (one of) my CPU core goes up to 65C even in Everest with the default TjMax of 100C, which Intel states (although there are compelling arguments it may be 95C). The CPU itself sometimes goes up to just under 65C, and the other core tops out around 60C. This is at 4.05GHz. At 4.275GHz, add ~5C to each.

I've long expected my CPU to be running much cooler than it's being reported as. I've lapped it, switched from a Freezer 7 Pro to a Xigmatech HDT s1283 (yes, I applied thermal paste correctly), and have great case airflow (Stacker 830SE with many fans). All of these efforts gave minimal or no improvement in temperatures, yet, the sensors aren't stuck. If I overclock, they go up, and if I underclock, they go way down. I simply think the CPU itself or motherboard sensors are way off.

I also think this because I always see others saying they have the same CPU with an weaker cooler, a non-lapped CPU, and comparable case cooling, and they get idle temperatures in the 20s, and loads under Orthos for the cores no higher than 45C. How, then, is mine running that much warmer, or is it really?

Get this. With the temperatures you listed above, you say it's too hot to touch. I can touch the base of the heatpipes on the cooler, and remember, the heatpipes are HDT touching the CPU itself, and I can not only hold my finger there at these supposed 65C+ (70C at 4.2GHz wasn't much warmer) temperatures, but it's barely even warm. My Northbriudge, by contrast, typically runs ~45C, and the heatpipe between it and the Soutbridge is much warmer, almost too hot to keep a touch on, but not quite.

Would I be safe then, to assume I can basically "ignore temperatures" and push it further? I got my E8400 the day after launch (January 21st was the first day Newegg had them in), and the batch number is in the signature in case it matters, and I remember these early ones had temperature issues. I'm thinking I got either I got one of them, or the motherboard just has really sensitive sensors.

I was referring to my 4870X2 gpu core NOT cpu

Most 8400 have stuck temps sensors, everyone argues over the tjmax so its really a matter of how comfortable are you with the way everything runs.
You seem to have investigated your problem, so maybe trying 3 or 4 different apps to check temps, then take teh average and run with that?
Dont rely on anything from Asus for temps, they coudnt code a screen saver

[Zucker2k]

No, it's not stable.... yet.

[xxDayTrader]

Not sure about the Flex kit, but the GSkill 9600 kit is stellar, if you can afford them that is, A member here on XS has a kit for sale, I'd buy them and sell my 8800 kit but my spending days are done for a while after 2 water blocks a new case and my 4870X2 this past few weeks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=214795

a bit off subject but does anyone know what the requirement (post count I'd assume) is to access the "for sale" board? Whatever it is, I don't have it yet and I need to do a little shopping.

Edit......nevermind. Amazing what 3 seconds of looking can do for ya:
Yes there is a for sale forum.
But it only can be accessed once you reached 100 posts.

[Kiwi76]

I was referring to my 4870X2 gpu core NOT cpu

Most 8400 have stuck temps sensors, everyone argues over the tjmax so its really a matter of how comfortable are you with the way everything runs.
You seem to have investigated your problem, so maybe trying 3 or 4 different apps to check temps, then take teh average and run with that?
Dont rely on anything from Asus for temps, they coudnt code a screen saver

Ah, I must have missed that. Either way, regardless of if it's a CPU or GPU, if something is running at 65C-70C, I shouldn't be able to hold my touch there on the heatpipe less than an inch away from where said heatpipe is touching the source of the heat and it only feel slightly warm, right? If I stick my hand inside my case in front of the CPU fan, I feel alot of cool ambient air from the fans. It can't be an ambient problem.

Most programs report the same thing. Either they give results as though the TjMax were 100C (Everest), or 95C (Core Temp, Real Temp, etc.).

My point is that, A) for what I've attempted to keep it cool, this seems too high, B) others with less colling preparation get better results with the same CPU at the same speed, and C) I've touched it and it's not as warm as my Northbridge heatpipe.

Also, my sensors aren't stuck. They move both ways. They just seem way, way off.

[Jokester_wild]

Is it a huge benefit to do the rampage conversion on the Maximus Formula. Just debating it right now. Be interesting to try it if I knew it would also be stable.