Well, I've gone crazy

[One_Hertz]

And ordered two 32GB Intel X25-E SSDs. Ouch!

Will do a comparison to the two OCZ core V2s I have right now sitting on my adaptec 5405. Following this one:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3477611&postcount=24

I still have the image I used and everything. Should be fun!

[alfaunits]

Those are supposed to go down in price in a few days/week, I even have a confirmed price drop if I wait for dispatch that long
I wanted to go X25-E, but ... at this particular point, I am almost certain some new great SSD will come out just as I buy the X25-E - doh

[XS Janus]

Well your timing of purchase definetly is crazy!
Enjoy them!

[One_Hertz]

Those are supposed to go down in price in a few days/week, I even have a confirmed price drop if I wait for dispatch that long
I wanted to go X25-E, but ... at this particular point, I am almost certain some new great SSD will come out just as I buy the X25-E - doh

Price drop to under 580USD/unit? That's how much I paid. I was under the impression the price drop just happened and the price beforehand was like 700-800USD

Is it dropping by a lot?

edit: looked it up and the X25-Es just had a drop 2-3 weeks ago...

[alfaunits]

X25-E is 450 EYRO in EU now (with taxes), and will be 410e in about a week (though this could change due to EUR/USD exchange rate as the price is tied to USD, not EUR).
At this time, 580$ = 450EUR, but considering you're talking price without taxes, it's actually "cheaper" here LOL. There should be a new price cut, as I said.

[BenchZowner]

X25-E is 450 EYRO in EU now (with taxes), and will be 410e in about a week (though this could change due to EUR/USD exchange rate as the price is tied to USD, not EUR).
At this time, 580$ = 450EUR, but considering you're talking price without taxes, it's actually "cheaper" here LOL. There should be a new price cut, as I said.

Where did you find the X25-E at 450€ ( VAT included ) ?
The cheapest price I can find in EU at the moment is 510€
Perhaps you saw the X25-M ?

[alfaunits]

You're right, I spoke too soon:
http://www.mercateo.com/p/c_c1002-19...SH032G1C5.html
That wasn't with VAT I should brush up on German, first.

[One_Hertz]

oh a 50 dollar drop isn't too bad. I would be kinda pissed if it was 100, but not 50. And 450 Euro is ~600USD. I didn't pay for shipping also so not too bad . Should have my drives today and should finish all the testing today. If not then tomorrow morning.

I just had a feeling that no amount of these OCZ drives stacked up in raid would even come close to the Intels in real world tasks, so might as well blow a bunch of money on real SSDs. We will see

[alfaunits]

RAID would not increase the random speed, except in special cases... where other cases would hurt.
So you're right about OCZ not catching up to X25-E
However, I am wondering how Vertex will stack up to X25-M. Price wise I would guess it would be a bit slower, but then... RAIDing several of them would probably yield better.
Won't catch up to X25-E however.

[One_Hertz]

RAID would not increase the random speed, except in special cases... where other cases would hurt.
So you're right about OCZ not catching up to X25-E
However, I am wondering how Vertex will stack up to X25-M. Price wise I would guess it would be a bit slower, but then... RAIDing several of them would probably yield better.
Won't catch up to X25-E however.

Yeah... Random speed is basically all that matters. It is sad how many people think that about sequential and say things like "oh I am going to raid a few of these cheap SSDs and have better performance than the expensive Intel SSDS". That kind of crap is all over OCZ forums and how they measure performance is HDTach . I'll see for sure when I do the testing, but I think these X25-Es will give a much better performance/$ ratio than the current cheap MLC drives.

I basically bought two drives because I can't live with just 32GB of space and I wanted to put my controller to good use .

[XS Janus]

Can't wait for these tests!
Your last tests were real good indication on what to expect and why!

[NeedMoMegaHurtZ]

Congrat$$! Also looking foward to your thorough, relevant testing (instead of the "regular" HDTune/HDTach LOL)

For me, the sequential tests are just a small picture of overall picture. I like your real world tests. An analogy is like 3DMark for games. Limited for usefulness...

[One_Hertz]

Purolator decided to not deliver it today so I will be picking them up tomorrow morning...

Worst experience I've ever had with a shipping company to this date. First I call them at 4pm wondering where the package is(tracking says guaranteed today). They say that it will be there by 5pm for sure. 5pm I call them again. They say sorry, the driver is running a little late but will be there by 5:15. I stand in front of my building. 5:45 I go back up to check tracking just to see that the driver lied and put it down as a failed delivery attempt at 5:25 (I was standing there WATCHING at that time and nobody came for sure). Then I call them again. They say sorry again and say that it will be there by 6:15. 6:45 its not there and I went home because I was starving. I really hope for their sake that there is a very pretty girl there at customer service tomorrow morning or there will be a lot of trouble. I hate unions so much.

[swiftex]

ouch............that really burns........

[One_Hertz]

well, purolator screwed me once again. Went to their warehouse (30 min drive btw) and they said that "for some reason" (her exact words) the trailer my package was on, was not unpacked and they could not give it to me. I have no words for this kind of service. UPS is bad, but nowhere near THIS bad. I guess I am stuck without my drive until Monday

[alfaunits]

Are you sure you're not in Eastern Europe? (hey I am so I can make the jokes )

[karateo]

With such money I would buy a Perc 5/i and as much 16Gb Mtron 3500 series I could
I am 100% sure that would greatly outperform the overpriced intel ssd

Despite that, hope u r 100% satisfied with those beasts
Looking forward for ur results

[One_Hertz]

With such money I would buy a Perc 5/i and as much 16Gb Mtron 3500 series I could
I am 100% sure that would greatly outperform the overpriced intel ssd

Despite that, hope u r 100% satisfied with those beasts
Looking forward for ur results

Those are over 2x slower at random reads than the x25-E and they dont even publish their random writes... So if you get five of the SSDs you mention (for the same money as 2 X25-Es), the sustained rates would be the same (both ~500MB/s), but randoms still 2x slower, so that setup would still be far, far behind than what I am getting

As far as I know, there isn't currently a better value/$ in terms of performance than the Intel drives. The iodrive is faster but its $2400

Edit: The MOBI drives can only do ~60 Random writes per sec... The X25-E is 3300. No competition at all.

[karateo]

You are right about the IOPS
but do they matter in real life desktop use?

Aren't the sustained writes more important?

[One_Hertz]

You are right about the IOPS
but do they matter in real life desktop use?

Aren't the sustained writes more important?

It depends... Look at the OCZ Core drives. Sustained writes are quite high, but the drive is overall very slow at writing. In real world, there is basically never a 100% sequential read or write operation, unless you do something like video editing of course. I'll be able to say a lot more once I play around with my new drives.

[karateo]

Don't disagree, don't know

I just thought that high IOPS are more needed for server use.
Anyway, better to wait and see ur results

I am sure u will be satisfied even with just one

[One_Hertz]

got my drives

212mb/s reads and 192mb/s writes when I just plugged one as a slave into my work computer hahaha. Will do proper testing tonight

If you want any benchmarks done then speak up and I will do them.

[karateo]

I would like a comparison with your tests found on the table in this thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209515

if you can add a column with the results of the intel ssds it would be perfect
how long does it take to install windows?

[One_Hertz]

I would like a comparison with your tests found on the table in this thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209515

if you can add a column with the results of the intel ssds it would be perfect
how long does it take to install windows?

That is what I intended to do in the first place .

Passmark tests were requested over PM to compare with the ioDrive as benchmarked here on page 9:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1683/print/index.html

[Biker]

Jealously awaiting results