AMD Phenom II Review Thread

[Caveman787]

Umm read the whole thing again...

He said similarly priced intel variant's....which would be the q9300/q9400 which won't clock to 3.8 or 4.0 reliably.

[xVeinx]

I wasn't going to respond to Gosh because there is no data either way, that I can find. My gut instinct was that i7 would be better due to hyperthreading. I have an E8400 machine running Gentoo that hosts three virtual machines with VirtualBox and "slow" is not a word that I would use to describe it. I access the VMs solely through a remote desktop connection and they feel just like remoting into bare metal.

I don't remember where I saw it, but I did see some previews benching Phenom II in a server situation. It was indeed much improved over Intel's Xeons, but then when they benched i7 it blew Phenom II out of the water in multi-threaded situations.

Oh, and the sole purpose and strength of quads is not multitasking. There is also parallelized computation, like video encoding, servers, etc.

I kinda doubt Phenom II exceeds i7 on the multitasking front. As far as VMware is concerned, Shanghai (server version of deneb) scored very well in virtualization compared to Intel, so his opinion seems plausible. I haven't seen any tests for virtualization on deneb, but it should be roughly comparable.

Edit: i realized earlier testing wasn't done versus i7, my bad. More testing will have to be done on that front.

[LiquidReactor]

Umm read the whole thing again...

He said similarly priced intel variant's....which would be the q9300/q9400 which won't clock to 3.8 or 4.0 reliably.

Also because of Intels latest price drops add the Q9550 which reliably clocks to 4.0 into the similarly priced intels offerings.

[panfist]

Umm read the whole thing again...

He said similarly priced intel variant's....which would be the q9300/q9400 which won't clock to 3.8 or 4.0 reliably.

That really depends on the motherboard more than the processor, IMO.

I think it's too early to tell how high the Phenom II will clock on average, over time.

We'll see how deep Intel's price cuts are.

You do have a point, though.

[Miss Banana]

Since when did you become Miss Banana's spokesperson? I'm calling her (assumption) out. I'm sure she can defend herself.

I allready adressed you with my previous post, you have yet to respond to it, and your recent posts have been nothing but immature pieces of noncontent.
Do you have a point? Then spit it out. Otherwise stay clear of the reply button.

[gosh]

kk

Stock clocks, imagination, emotional attachment or anything ?

no, the strange thing is that review sites doesn't do this type of testing

[MrMojoZ]

PS : what the BS with red font ? Starving for attention or something ?

Kinda like how your sig is only there to act as flamebait?

[Miss Banana]

What's yours ? Oh , I forgot , you've changed more times than a hooker changes its clients in a month.

Let me restate your progress : the numbers aren't good ; forget the numbers , it is the attitude ; forget the attitude it is RAM speed; forget RAM speed , it is RAM size ; forget RAM size , it is the board.Did I miss something ?

Each and every time , information surfaced which destroyed your point , sometimes ( the irony ) from yourself .

And now , you have gosh , a true and worthy companion.While Kyle probably is a jackass who likes to make a separate stand from the rest ; at least he explained his methodology , results and so on in a clear and logical fashion irrespective of how valuable his tests are in order to make more general assumptions.
You 2 OTOH hand , fail on all accounts.

PS : what the BS with red font ? Starving for attention or something ?

Well you sure seem to getting upset. If I would think you are reasonable I would try to explain it to you one more time, but I don't.
If you are really looking for answers, try to have another look at my last few posts. I can PM them to you if you want.

I noticed that you are now so desperately out of good points, that you start rambling about my red font.
Even though I don't really think I owe anyone, let stand you, an explanation, I will be a sport and say I picked this red font only to make you cry about it.
It seems to have worked.

[Zucker2k]

Hey Genius, if you think your so $%@ing smart and know better then every high paid engineer at Amd why don't go over there and help them out with their next gen cpu design. Oh wait, you can't because your another idiotic fanboy troll. Keep trying to make yourself feel very important just because you have Intel in your system.

Hey imbecile, if you have something to contribute that actually matters, do it. I am not an engineer, I am a consumer and I am more important than AMD engineers because if I don't buy, they're out of a job.

[gosh]

You can't compare a dualcore to a quadcore in a multitasking environment - that is the sole purpose and strength of quads. Please save that comparison, I'm not interested. Have you tested Nehalem in a vmware environment?

We are talking small differencenses here (haven't talked about dual in this thread). And reading about how these processors behave then I think Phenom II has a small advantage over i7 when there are more applications running. The reason for that is how the cache etc is built. i7 is more built to handle speed for single applications running, they can of course be threaded and that will be something i7 handles very well but different applications will make the situation more complex when they are running. In this situation I think Phenom has the edge over i7

[Miss Banana]

Hey imbecile, if you have something to contribute that actually matters, do it. I am not an engineer, I am a consumer and I am more important than AMD engineers because if I don't buy, their out of a job.

Well, a heated debate surely makes the true Zucker come out.
You know, the one that only posts immature crap posts and calls people imbecile.

Maybe you need a vacation...




Oh and since we are in the Phenom II review thread anyways, I found a new review:
http://icrontic.com/articles/amd-phenom-ii-review

[Zucker2k]

Well you sure seem to getting upset. If I would think you are reasonable I would try to explain it to you one more time, but I don't.
If you are really looking for answers, try to have another look at my last few posts. I can PM them to you if you want.

I noticed that you are now so desperately out of good points, that you start rambling about my red font.
Even though I don't really think I owe anyone, let stand you, an explanation, I will be a sport and say I picked this red font only to make you cry about it.
It seems to have worked.

Maybe you're just an attention whore? I mean no one on XS is using a red font; this is out of respect for other members. Same reason why I'm not typing in 24 size fonts.

[Miss Banana]

Maybe you're just an attention whore? I mean no one on XS is using a red font; this is out of respect for other members. Same reason why I'm not typing in 24 size fonts.

Zucker, I don't think people would think any less of you if you did use a ridiculous font. I know I wouldn't.

[accord99]

We are talking small differencenses here (haven't talked about dual in this thread). And reading about how these processors behave then I think Phenom II has a small advantage over i7 when there are more applications running.

The reviews say otherwise; the i7 is a multi-tasking, multi-threading monster. Basically it's the equivalent of a 6-core Phenom II with better single-threaded performance.

[Zucker2k]

Well, a heated debate surely makes the true Zucker come out.
You know, the one that only posts immature crap posts and calls people imbecile.

Maybe you need a vacation...

M B, that was no debate, he attacked me. Note that I asked him to actually contribute to the debate.

PS: Seriously, what's up with the red fonts? We can read your posts clearly in b&w; or is the color reflective of your mood or emotional state?

[gosh]

The reviews say otherwise; the i7 is a multi-tasking, multi-threading monster. Basically it's the equivalent of a 6-core Phenom II with better single-threaded performance.

Where did you find those reviews?

[accord99]

Where did you find those reviews?

Just look at the benchmarks that can scale effectively to many threads.

[Miss Banana]

M B, that was no debate, he attacked me. Note that I asked him to actually contribute to the debate.

PS: Seriously, what's up with the red fonts? We can read your posts clearly in b&w; or is the color reflective of your mood or emotional state?

If you would PM your ridiculous and off-topic questions to me, I may even give you a serious answer.

On topic, in the last review I pasted, it is shown that AMD currently has superior idle power consumption when compared to all intel alternatives. Pretty impressive.

[gosh]

Just look at the benchmarks that can scale effectively to many threads.

I was talking about multitasking. When programmers develops their own applications they will of course optimize so that the applications works well. All those tricks that i7 has to load and write memory etc will work very well then. But when there are different applications added and they are also runing the situation gets much more complex.

[Solus Corvus]

What's yours ? Oh , I forgot , you've changed more times than a hooker changes its clients in a month.
<snip> etc etc

Wow, comparing another poster to a prostitute. That's really low.

I realize that these topics can become heated, but that's no reason to drop any pretense of objectivity and just start attacking other posters outright.

[ryboto]

If you would PM your ridiculous and off-topic questions to me, I may even give you a serious answer.

On topic, in the last review I pasted, it is shown that AMD currently has superior idle power consumption when compared to all intel alternatives. Pretty impressive.

I'm surprised the Phenom II system in that review had such a high load power consumption.

[Zucker2k]

If you would PM your ridiculous and off-topic questions to me, I may even give you a serious answer.

On topic, in the last review I pasted, it is shown that AMD currently has superior idle power consumption when compared to all intel alternatives. Pretty impressive.

I guess you're the type that powers on their computer and watch it idle? I still doubt the truthfulness of that remark; you know why? Because you'd be talking about platform, because when it comes to the cpu itself, C2Q 45nm is better under idle and load conditions. PII actually is worse at utilizing power for actual task performed; guess which chip is best? You guessed wrong, Ci7.

[accord99]

I was talking about multitasking. When programmers develops their own applications they will of course optimize so that the applications works well. All those tricks that i7 has to load and write memory etc will work very well then. But when there are different applications added and they are also runing the situation gets much more complex.

Hexus.net has some "mega-tasking" numbers:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16757&page=9

[Miss Banana]

Information about the power consumption CPU itself is hard to translate when you talk about C2Q, as those processors do not have the memory controlled onboard.
At some point a platform comparison makes most sense, and at this point I think it is clear AMD shows the better idle numbers.

If I would spend my days rendering or encoding, I7 would be a better pick yes, but for a system on which music is produced, games are played and audio is recorded, the low idle power consumption is a big plus.

[Zucker2k]

Information about the power consumption CPU itself is hard to translate when you talk about C2Q, as those processors do not have the memory controlled onboard.
At some point a platform comparison makes most sense, and at this point I think it is clear AMD shows the better idle numbers.

If I would spend my days rendering or encoding, I7 would be a better pick yes, but for a system on which music is produced, games are played and audio is recorded, the low idle power consumption is a big plus.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.ph...=16757&page=10 Every single point you've made has turned out worse for you; at this point I don't know how you can save face.