AMD Phenom II Review Thread

[roofsniper]

So some people do not even believe AMD about AMD if the news is not overly positive. Unbelievable.

and where would you be getting this from?

[Zucker2k]

and im pretty sure the amd system can handle 1066 ram. i have not seen one issue with it before and mine runs it fine. the fact that he says he has problems with running 1066 shows more of a user error than an error of an entire company.

Seriously, how old are you? I swear you're no more than 12. Do you run the same configuration he did in that review? Since you managed to miss the word let me put it clearly; do you run 3x GTX 280s on an AMD board with an Nvidia chipset and 4GBs of 1066 DDR2? Everyone one of your posts is pathetic and sig-worthy or is it you have a problem expressing your thoughts? What has your system got to do with the discussion? As a matter of fact, the only reason this thread has gotten this long is because of the lack of comparison to similarly configured systems and there are none. With every post you show your ignorance and immaturity. Yes, your dad works with AMD, yes you can just walk in and ask questions, what else don't you have exclusive information on? You of all people dare to call others fanboys; maybe for you it's a matter of bread and butter seeing your pops works for AMD as you'll have the entire world know. Don't even get me started. I usually grab my popcorn when you post. You don't believe me? Scroll up and carefully go over your posts.

[roofsniper]

hmmmmm wow. for starters if you want to know my age look in my account. and so i see what you are trying to say now. im guessing that you are saying 3 gtx 280s in sli on an nvidia board won't work with 4gb of ddr2. at least thats what i got from your post. and hmmmmm where have i said that my dad works at amd? do you see me posting this 100000x? and you are making the wrong assumption by thinking just because i run amd that i am a fanboy. if you look closely at my posts i am only calling people fanboys that deserved to be called fanboys. both amd and intel users. i just laugh everytime you try to say that i am immature and just call everyone fanboys. i don't even believe you are a fanboy i just believe you have some kind of disability that whenever someone doesn't agree with you you suddenly get some kind of rage. im just clueless as to why you even post when you have no idea what i am thinking or even saying. you seem to make things up for me and then get mad at me for saying these things you made up.

[Zucker2k]

hmmmmm wow. for starters if you want to know my age look in my account. and so i see what you are trying to say now. im guessing that you are saying 3 gtx 280s in sli on an nvidia board won't work with 4gb of ddr2. at least thats what i got from your post. and hmmmmm where have i said that my dad works at amd? do you see me posting this 100000x? and you are making the wrong assumption by thinking just because i run amd that i am a fanboy. if you look closely at my posts i am only calling people fanboys that deserved to be called fanboys. both amd and intel users. i just laugh everytime you try to say that i am immature and just call everyone fanboys. i don't even believe you are a fanboy i just believe you have some kind of disability that whenever someone doesn't agree with you you suddenly get some kind of rage. im just clueless as to why you even post when you have no idea what i am thinking or even saying. you seem to make things up for me and then get mad at me for saying these things you made up.

Let me put you on the spot then; do you get information, any information regarding AMD, from your dad? Have you ever?

[roofsniper]

Let me put you on the spot then; do you get information, any information regarding AMD, from your dad? Have you ever?

of course i do but i prefer not to ask him very often unless i really want to know something. so if there is massive confusion online i will ask. but for the majority of the time everything i know is from stuff i have seen online. if you want to discuss something with me just pm me instead of posting it in this thread.

[Donnie27]

This was your rather poor defensive post, in which you make excuses.
Kyle once hated intel too, so it's ok for him to make crapreviews about AMD?
Not really Donnie...

But you almost got it! savantu was there in the forums when Kyle defending not only the poor performing Barcelona, 4 X 4 and did an assassination of Conroe that would have made Chris Tom and Rahul Sood proud

I'm not saying you don't have a point talking un matched systems. The aim of is to match as many common parts as possible for a reference Point. If i7 uses 3 channels, then you can do apples to apples but that's AMD's fault for ot using Tri-channel, just like X3 vs C2D. He could have only used 2GB of DDR2 on the Intel C2D System. But I linked you to me calling it a crappy review. Why not just ask me why I said Crappy and my answer would have been because he's Not Tech Report, Lostcuits and even Anand who did match the system as much as possible.

Another Review. Firingquad, get ready to bash them as well. My buddie Duploxx and Rammsteiner love to point out my trashing AMD for sticking it to their customers when they did rule the market. See Duploxx's comments? Yet, he and others still keep bringing it up as if it was a different reality.
He asks why do I keep bringing it up, was I depressed or some other wise crack, I say double standards suck!

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...0_performance/

Let’s face it, Phenom didn’t cut it for most of the hardcore AMD crowd at launch. The Phenom 9850 Black Edition finally became somewhat tempting for these users as a result of the latest price cuts last summer. But nothing AMD has offered lately has dominated the market like the legendary 3500+ (I still own one) and X2 3800+ did for the budget-minded enthusiast a few years ago.

Before we get AMD enthusiasts hopes up too much though, a little reality check: Phenom II is not a Core i7-killer. Core i7 is still the world’s fastest CPU.

But AMD isn’t going after the bleeding edge sacrifice-your-first-born-child-in-order-to-afford-it crowd anymore. Instead they’re focusing on the value-conscious consumer who wants good performance, but at the same time also wants something affordable. Think of the guy who buys the Camaro SS instead of the Corvette, or the BMW 135i instead of the M3. You get the idea, ~80-90% of the performance of the high-end model, but at a significantly lower price.

AMD isn't going after the "sacrifice-your-first-born-child-in-order-to-afford-it crowd" anymore because they don't have anything to fit in that category! If they did you can bet your sweet @$$ the price would reflect it. Again, 3500+ and 3800+ is presented as "budget-minded enthusiast". So now i7 940 is a lower priced "budget-minded enthusiast" version then, right? FS is not the only site to make these kinds of comments.
Yes, motherboards and RAM wasn't cheap back then.

It is not what's said, it is HOW it is said.

[roofsniper]

all i have to say is this:
1. i think [H] had a bad review and many other think this as well. good thing thats not a problem because there are many other reviews to look at so just ignore this one.
2. ram speed isn't going to make a huge change. so i don't know why anyone is arguing over this. the cpu is the device doing the processing the ram is just storing information. i think once am3 comes out and people can run ddr3 1333 core 2 will still have a lead over phenom II but the lead will be cut down and i believe the cpus will be very equal in performance with intel still having a 1-2% lead. nothing that should impact a buying decision.

[Donnie27]

all i have to say is this:
1. i think [H] had a bad review and many other think this as well. good thing thats not a problem because there are many other reviews to look at so just ignore this one.
2. ram speed isn't going to make a huge change. so i don't know why anyone is arguing over this. the cpu is the device doing the processing the ram is just storing information. i think once am3 comes out and people can run ddr3 1333 core 2 will still have a lead over phenom II but the lead will be cut down and i believe the cpus will be very equal in performance with intel still having a 1-2% lead. nothing that should impact a buying decision.

WOW, I agree!

Then you have reviews like!

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ce/default.asp

As you can see, AMD projects a 20% improvement in clock-for-clock performance over Phenom 9950, due largely to the increase in clock speed, which buys Phenom II 940 an additional 12% in performance. AMD estimates an additional 3% comes from instructions per clock (IPC) enhancements included in the new core, while another 5% comes from the CPU’s larger L3 cache. Finally, AMD projects a performance improvement of nearly 5% from DDR3-1333 when it becomes available.

Is what I based my AM3 comments on and gallag is right as well.

So some people do not even believe AMD about AMD if the news is not overly positive. Unbelievable.

NOTE, that goes for some folks and Intel as well.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/860/5/

Changed my mind, I thought a 940 at 3.5GHz would be faster than a Stock i7 920 Was that a bad review?

[G0ldBr1ck]

[H] review = Me not giving a damn.

If I dont agree with it, I overlook it. I dont try to tell others to consider it for there own opinions and I dont need others to tell me what review to make my opinion or preferences on so the last couple pages of this thread have just been a joke to read.

[LiquidReactor]

[H] review = Me not giving a damn.

If I dont agree with it, I overlook it. I dont try to tell others to consider it for there own opinions and I dont need others to tell me what review to make my opinion or preferences on so the last couple pages of this thread have just been a joke to read.

Can anyone actually connect to [H]?

Constantly down for me,

[savantu]

And you sir, should really take another look at the word contradiction and contemplate on its meaning.

You can't have it both ways :either the numbers are good or the review is flawed.

What's that difficult to comprehend ?

[LiquidReactor]

Anyways is PII at least somewhat competitive with Q9400?

[keithlm]

so i don't know why anyone is arguing over this.

This is STILL going on? Ok. There are 2 issues here.

1. Does faster memory make a difference. Yes or No.

2. Would someone that is a "professional" be willing to run something with slower memory knowing it only makes a minor difference? (If they want to at least pretend to be neutral.)

It is actually very simple. Does faster memory make ANY difference. If the answer is "YES" then you it doesn't matter how many "it doesn't matter" posts are made by people that want to argue. It DOES make a difference. Period. End of story.

ANALOGY: Would an Olympic runner participate in an event with less than the best equipment available? Would they use shoes that cost $10.00 from a discount store? Or would they use the best shoes that were available to them? If they ran in the $10.00 shoes would anyone actually be stupid enough to expect them to perform as well as they could?

NOW we have to ask this: If the "professional reviewer" had actually used what memory speed which SHOULD have been used... would the results have been different enough that it would have been ludicrous to make the claims this reviewer did in his review?

In this case the answer would be a resounding "NO". This reviewer had an agenda and using the slower speed was just a side effect. (Of course in my opinion... this reviewer has purposefully removed himself from having the word "professional" prepended... and I must consider this person to be an amateur. As such I will consider this an amateur review. Which means it will just be ignored because that is all the merit it deserves.)

EDIT: The only way this reviewer could possibly redeem themselves would be to admit the review was written while completely drunk. That would be something I could understand. (As many that have seen my posts... that sometimes happens to me... it's a beer thing. But I usually only do that on a less reputable forum which I won't name.)

[saveus222]

P2 X4 940 is equal to or better than Q9400... atleast according to the reviews.

[saveus222]

I cant help you dont like the reviews and facts around. Im sorry the Phenom 2 failed to live up to the hype..again. I dont know why you and a few others love to exaggerate so much.

Also look in the mirror before calling someone anything...you seem mad and dissapointed and need an escapegoat?

And your above statement aint correct. Plus AMD shows 3Ghz for 2009...so any speedgrade above would most likely be in 2010. I even stated the AM3 chips got a NB bump to 2Ghz.

Phenom 2 is a nice upgrade. Tho I would wait to 925 and 945. However its simply not worth it if you are getting a new system.

sorrry but PH2 performed better than a lot of us expected it to..

You can always pick a weak enough GFX card. And/Or any old enough game or maybe current and then say x CPU is enough. Its simply a poor and lame excuse. Or perhaps its quite fitting. Since Phenom 2 offers performance that was avalible 2 years ago...

Here is a 280GTX instead of a 9800GTX or something...

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...2536/17984.png[

You mean Q9400 was launched in early 2007 ??

[Shintai]

sorrry but PH2 performed better than a lot of us expected it to..



You mean Q9400 was launched in early 2007 ??

There are some people that didnt. Those you speak of are realistic people.

No, Kentsfield was in 2006. PH2 is about clock for clock on pair with kentsfield.

[duploxxx]

But you almost got it! savantu was there in the forums when Kyle defending not only the poor performing Barcelona, 4 X 4 and did an assassination of Conroe that would have made Chris Tom and Rahul Sood proud

I'm not saying you don't have a point talking un matched systems. The aim of is to match as many common parts as possible for a reference Point. If i7 uses 3 channels, then you can do apples to apples but that's AMD's fault for ot using Tri-channel, just like X3 vs C2D. He could have only used 2GB of DDR2 on the Intel C2D System. But I linked you to me calling it a crappy review. Why not just ask me why I said Crappy and my answer would have been because he's Not Tech Report, Lostcuits and even Anand who did match the system as much as possible.

Another Review. Firingquad, get ready to bash them as well. My buddie Duploxx and Rammsteiner love to point out my trashing AMD for sticking it to their customers when they did rule the market. See Duploxx's comments? Yet, he and others still keep bringing it up as if it was a different reality.
He asks why do I keep bringing it up, was I depressed or some other wise crack, I say double standards suck!

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...0_performance/

AMD isn't going after the "sacrifice-your-first-born-child-in-order-to-afford-it crowd" anymore because they don't have anything to fit in that category! If they did you can bet your sweet @$$ the price would reflect it. Again, 3500+ and 3800+ is presented as "budget-minded enthusiast". So now i7 940 is a lower priced "budget-minded enthusiast" version then, right? FS is not the only site to make these kinds of comments.
Yes, motherboards and RAM wasn't cheap back then.

It is not what's said, it is HOW it is said.

how big ing idiot are you actually? go out and have some fun on the intel forum.

It is you ALWAYS bringing up the old days of price/performance in every AMD thread

Now again YOU point towards comparing i7 against phenom2 while looking at set price it is nowhere near each other so why compare. Offcourse the blue fanbois bring this on top that they offer the fastest system. Check sales its the same price range as Q8-9 series that's where it focus is.
I don't care if i7 platform is faster, it's way overpriced for the added value at this point in time, anyone switching from a decent s775 or am2+ platform to this is just wasting its money to enlarge its ego.

last, there is nothing wrong with the firingsquad review, they have the same conclusion as many other sites, a good competitor in the current highest volume market. in what docuiment AMD ever stated that they were aiming for the high-end with there shrink???? yeah fanboys from both sites that can't get over it.

QFT!

this reflects more than 1000 of your posts.... way to go you must be feeling very good each time you make such a post. I call it child behaviour

There are some people that didnt. Those you speak of are realistic people.

No, Kentsfield was in 2006. PH2 is about clock for clock on pair with kentsfield.

there is no review comparing kentsfield clock/clock with p2, so stop posts that you can't proof, i'll state that it's faster. it's all depending on type of application. bye

[saveus222]

clock for clock with kentsfield ? how do you back up that argument ? any source ?

[Spectrobozo]

clock for clock with kentsfield ? how do you back up that argument ? any source ?

http://translate.google.com/translat...php%3Ft%3D3253

[Shintai]

clock for clock with kentsfield ? how do you back up that argument ? any source ?

There are some tests with Q6600. Plus we already know the Kentsfield vs Yorkfield numbers. So when you got Phenom 2 vs Yorkfield it doesnt require a degree in math to calculate it.

I see Spectrobozo already answered it with direct comparisions. Poor duploxxx...

[FlanK3r]

There are some tests with Q6600. Plus we already know the Kentsfield vs Yorkfield numbers. So when you got Phenom 2 vs Yorkfield it doesnt require a degree in math to calculate it.

what?....I read much, much reviews Phenom I and Phenom II and dont think, PII is similar as kentsfield (64bit system, its future, not 32bit). It is better. With comparsion in real aplication, is similar q9550, sometimes better than 9650, sometimes worse then q9300

[duploxxx]

There are some tests with Q6600. Plus we already know the Kentsfield vs Yorkfield numbers. So when you got Phenom 2 vs Yorkfield it doesnt require a degree in math to calculate it.

I see Spectrobozo already answered it with direct comparisions. Poor duploxxx...

its ddr2 vs ddr3 compare, reviews showed that it was upto 5% faster on intel boards, now do the maths yourself, that's about the difference between york and kent depending on the cache which is constantly being reduced by intel these days to have lower priced cpu's.

poor shintai, keep on reading and posting that's as far as it goes for you, try to live with it.

[Miss Banana]

how big ing idiot are you actually? go out and have some fun on the intel forum.

It is you ALWAYS bringing up the old days of price/performance in every AMD thread

Now again YOU point towards comparing i7 against phenom2 while looking at set price it is nowhere near each other so why compare. Offcourse the blue fanbois bring this on top that they offer the fastest system. Check sales its the same price range as Q8-9 series that's where it focus is.
I don't care if i7 platform is faster, it's way overpriced for the added value at this point in time, anyone switching from a decent s775 or am2+ platform to this is just wasting its money to enlarge its ego.

last, there is nothing wrong with the firingsquad review, they have the same conclusion as many other sites, a good competitor in the current highest volume market. in what docuiment AMD ever stated that they were aiming for the high-end with there shrink???? yeah fanboys from both sites that can't get over it.



this reflects more than 1000 of your posts.... way to go you must be feeling very good each time you make such a post. I call it child behaviour



there is no review comparing kentsfield clock/clock with p2, so stop posts that you can't proof, i'll state that it's faster. it's all depending on type of application. bye

Dude chill, donnie is stuck in the past, and always brings up that 3500+ thing. He can't really help it. It's clear into what direction he is biased, and with every post he shows the world about it. No need to get angry.

Seriously, how old are you? I swear you're no more than 12. Do you run the same configuration he did in that review? Since you managed to miss the word let me put it clearly; do you run 3x GTX 280s on an AMD board with an Nvidia chipset and 4GBs of 1066 DDR2? Everyone one of your posts is pathetic and sig-worthy or is it you have a problem expressing your thoughts? What has your system got to do with the discussion? As a matter of fact, the only reason this thread has gotten this long is because of the lack of comparison to similarly configured systems and there are none. With every post you show your ignorance and immaturity. Yes, your dad works with AMD, yes you can just walk in and ask questions, what else don't you have exclusive information on? You of all people dare to call others fanboys; maybe for you it's a matter of bread and butter seeing your pops works for AMD as you'll have the entire world know. Don't even get me started. I usually grab my popcorn when you post. You don't believe me? Scroll up and carefully go over your posts.

So let me get this straight.
After you question whether 1066 mhz ram not working on kyle's system is kyle's fault, a user says he has it working on his system, and never had any problems with it... And this is your reply?

Calling someone younger than 12, rambling about his dad, calling him pathetic, sig worthy, ignorant and immature.

You surely know how to make yourself look silly.
Hey Zucker, if posts like that upset you so much, maybe you should just join kyle's community? Noone will ever disagree with you there.

[savantu]

To end the RAM nonsense :

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...24373&PageId=6

In Far Cry , using more than 2 GB has no effect whatsoever. Kyle throughly explained this in the review thread. Now , I'm waiting for the Banana man to claim Winrar or SuperPI are affected by 2 vs. 4GBs of ram.

[Miss Banana]

To end the RAM nonsense :

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...24373&PageId=6

In Far Cry , using more than 2 GB has no effect whatsoever. Kyle throughly explained this in the review thread. Now , I'm waiting for the Banana man to claim Winrar or SuperPI are affected by 2 vs. 4GBs of ram.

It's a cute attempt savantu, but unfortunately for you, they do not use the same far cry 2 benchmark (your link used fraps to benchmarks, which means they could have just tested standing still somewhere), neither do they both use trisli. (your link used the XFX 260GTX)

Try again.