Why some people are bashing HardOCP review about Phenom II ?

[Particle]

Price cuts done after the review don't validate the review. It had to be accurate at the time of its creation to be valid.

[Miss Banana]

Lol! If you happen to mispell kyle's name in google, a post of mine on XS about his crapreview will be in your top 10

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rlz=1C1GGLS_nlNL291NL305&q="kyle+bene tt"&btnG=Zoeken&meta=

Hilarious.

And honestly, why god why, do some people feel the need to defend that piece of apecrap that is supposed to be a review?

His conclusions in the review seem to be bang on.

Really Yukon?
Without boring you with the many much more positive conclusions that sites like techreport and tomshardware came you, I am just going to ask you if a reviewer that fails to make phenom II run with the appropriate memory speed or size and then makes comment like:

some of you will whine loudly, “That’s not fair! That flagship Core i7 is $1000!” Well you people just need to shut the hell up and go have a drink. You are already unreasonable, so a little alcohol won’t hurt you in the least.

Can in any way be described as someone who is "bang on"?
Sorry but to conclude that phenom II does better than Phenom I, does not make it okay to screw every up every other aspect of the review.

[VoodooProphetII]

Hey guys, just let it be... I mean what does it really matter if Kyle's review is somewhat bias. I have never really read a review by [H] until I read about the bias review, and I went to see it for myself. It's clear when reading Anandtech, Guru3d and loads of other reviews that Kyle's review doesn't paint the same picture. Well at least Kyle's review made me realize one thing: If I ever think of Tri-SLI, the 780a chipset doesn't work very well. Hell I get on average 10 - 12% better results at low res when I run a single GTX 280, a M3A79-T mobo and a 9950 clocked at 3.3Ghz, so I'll stick with on card and the 790FX chipset mobo.

[Miss Banana]

Hey guys, just let it be... I mean what does it really matter if Kyle's review is somewhat bias. I have never really read a review by [H] until I read about the bias review, and I went to see it for myself. It's clear when reading Anandtech, Guru3d and loads of other reviews that Kyle's review doesn't paint the same picture. Well at least Kyle's review made me realize one thing: If I ever think of Tri-SLI, the 780a chipset doesn't work very well. Hell I get on average 10 - 12% better results at low res when I run a single GTX 280, a M3A79-T mobo and a 9950 clocked at 3.3Ghz, so I'll stick with on card and the 790FX chipset mobo.

Interesting.
Kyle's review made me wonder, since he used an nvidia chipset, could the chipset have something to do with his problems to get 1066 mhz ram working?

[VoodooProphetII]

MB it might have been the case, and I think most people doesn't know, or sometimes forget that AMD processors are pretty sensitive for memory speeds and timings, and in some benchies even ganged and unganged, not to mention 2T and 1T. But for me its all about finding out for myself, which is why I ordered a Phenom II.

TBH, I was pretty surprised by the 9950's performance when I got the chip about 1.5 months ago. And I'm not talking benching, I'm talking about playing Far Cry 2 for hours on end with only 2GB ram and the system would just keep on going without any problems except for the now and then running out of memory. 60FPS at 1680x1050, 2 x FSAA and all detail settings set on max with 1 x GTX 280 and the 9950 running at 220 x 15 (3.3Ghz).

[YukonTrooper]

so... kyle´s "review" is the only one u ever saw??
how can a extreme edition c2q be a better buy???

Nope. In fact, Kyle's review is one of the worst I have read. He takes a very unprofessional approach to how he writes articles, and I am not in defense of his reporting skills in any way, shape, or form.

I don't think the Extreme Edition C2Q is being singled out as the better buy, even though it's the processor used in the review. I think the general statement is that if you buy a system from the ground up, a comparable C2Q system might still be the better purchase.

Really Yukon?
Without boring you with the many much more positive conclusions that sites like techreport and tomshardware came you, I am just going to ask you if a reviewer that fails to make phenom II run with the appropriate memory speed or size and then makes comment like:

The articles are more positive in tone, but the conclusions are comparable, and that's what I'm referring to. Kyle calls Phenom II a "loser", while other, more professional sites, refrain from using such slang and instead focus on the positives for Phenom II and what it brings to the table; however, the conclusions do not change and run parallel to what Kyle had to say. That's what I'm getting at.

[iandh]

Nope. In fact, Kyle's review is one of the worst I have read. He takes a very unprofessional approach to how he writes articles, and I am not in defense of his reporting skills in any way, shape, or form.

I don't think the Extreme Edition C2Q is being singled out as the better buy, even though it's the processor used in the review. I think the general statement is that if you buy a system from the ground up, a comparable C2Q system might still be the better purchase.


The articles are more positive in tone, but the conclusions are comparable, and that's what I'm referring to. Kyle calls Phenom II a "loser", while other, more professional sites, refrain from using such slang and instead focus on the positives for Phenom II and what it brings to the table; however, the conclusions do not change and run parallel to what Kyle had to say. That's what I'm getting at.

It might possibly be a better purchase to go with a C2Q system, as long as you aren't trying to top 4ghz.

If you are on good water/chilled water/dice/phase/LN2, which a surprisingly large amount of folks are on this site, an unlocked multi is almost a requirement.

The C2Q's priced comparably to PII don't have high enough multis to make them a true competitor for extreme overclocking, and the two are close enough in performance to make PII a good competitor in performance.

Even with a great board and a great chip, 500fsb on an intel quad is not always a wallk in the park...



I'm not trying to blow the importance of the multi out of proportion, but it opened up extreme OC to a whole new market. Until now that was a $1000 proposition just for the CPU. Now you can build a whole setup with dice/ln2 pots included, and even buy an extra CPU if you want for under $1k.

[Apokalipse]

The million dollar question.. Is the OP a troll trying to provoke?

maroon1 is an Intel/Nvidia fanboy.

[knightwolf654]

got my self banned from [H], cant even see the home page

[DarthElvis]

Heres my review :
My buddy spent large coin on an Intel i7 system, stomps me in all the benches.
I spent less than HALF on an AMD system, I can play all my games at over 80FPS.
I also took the difference to what I spent and what he spent ,and spent that amount on taking my girlfreind to a ritzy restaurant and then a good(well, good for her anyway) chick flick. I've been getting laid all week. My buddy still lives at his Mom's place. Who wins here ?

[Miss Banana]

Same

I guess telling people that liked kyle's review, to have fun in their little kyle cult did it.
Either that, or it was me explaining how other tech enthusiast communities look at kyle and his website/forum.

So many blocked IP's, must be getting lonely over there.

[trueblue]

Heres my review :
My buddy spent large coin on an Intel i7 system, stomps me in all the benches.
I spent less than HALF on an AMD system, I can play all my games at over 80FPS.
I also took the difference to what I spent and what he spent ,and spent that amount on taking my girlfreind to a ritzy restaurant and then a good(well, good for her anyway) chick flick. I've been getting laid all week. My buddy still lives at his Mom's place. Who wins here ?

Now that's what I call a "best bang for the buck"!

[eleeter]

got my self banned from [H], cant even see the home page

Congratulations


but how lame is that, banning someone right down the IP address just because you don't agree with their point of view. Pathetic.

[saki_bomber]

Congratulations


but how lame is that, banning someone right down the IP address just because you don't agree with their point of view. Pathetic.

i have to check later tonite when i get off work to see if im in the same position

i left a few tasty tidbits of by own opinion that kyle may not like; i really couldnt care less if im banned or not. freedom of speech should be encouraged, not punished

[Mav451]

i have to check later tonite when i get off work to see if im in the same position

i left a few tasty tidbits of by own opinion that kyle may not like; i really couldnt care less if im banned or not. freedom of speech should be encouraged, not punished

It is odd you should say that, on XS of all places. Though, if you're not politically minded, you may not have noticed its absence at all.

I'm a little puzzled at you guys - so getting banned for trolling is supposed to be a badge of honor or something? What's next for you guys then? Doing this on another forum if someone looks at Phenom II in a bad light?

[G0ldBr1ck]

I dont like the review myself but do we realy have a thread made for slandering an individual? I realy dont think this should be here.

.......... freedom of speech should be encouraged, not punished

This kyle spoke his mind but seems he's not allowed the freedom.

[saki_bomber]

It is odd you should say that, on XS of all places. Though, if you're not politically minded, you may not have noticed its absence at all.

I'm a little puzzled at you guys - so getting banned for trolling is supposed to be a badge of honor or something? What's next for you guys then? Doing this on another forum if someone looks at Phenom II in a bad light?

whos trolling? my comments over @ [H] are not in the trolling sense at all - i disagreed with kyle's review, especially in the tone he wrote it, bashing AMD before the review began. i thought it was in bad taste and told him so. i'm saying i'll probably get banned for disagreeing with the Führer of [H] and dont really care, if he's going to go on a banning spree just because people dont agree with him or give him flak for his extremely unprofessional review.
there should be no law against critiquing in a civil manner, and thats exactly what i did.
i've been a member on those forums for 3 yrs btw, i'm not into trolling the place. i cant even get there now from work because i used to visit it so much

besides, they have much better smileys here

[saki_bomber]

I dont like the review myself but do we realy have a thread made for slandering an individual? I realy dont think this should be here.



This kyle spoke his mind but seems he's not allowed the freedom.

no, kyle spoke his mind and thats fine, but he's banning ppl that dont AGREE with what he says, NOT because they are insulting him. there's a huge difference

[soundood]

My god i just read this review, and yes all of it. i cannot put into words how much of a F***IN Idiot i think Kyle CEO of [H] is, what an ass, that whole (and i say this in the broadest terms possible) review is a joke, and by putting it together, he is a joke himself.

really Kyle, and i know you troll this forum, you have made a laughing stock of yourself, even intel guys know what you have just written is pure BU****IT, if you didnt have some ownership and where not editor this would never got past the table,

it is that bad i might just come after you with a petition, of no confidence, across the many real benchmark sites and forums that are out there, including this one.

your a joke matey, and best of all you know it.


and please please dont anyone defend him to me, i will ignore you, as you will judged to be just as stupid as him

[Gener_AL (UK)]

I am not sure if i am breaking forum rules here so if any mod would like me to delete this post or ammened then just ask.
I dont want to see mindless bashing of [H] its not what i like to see in any forum. But an open and honest discussion about the reasons why that review failed so badly on so many levels, some of which have been highlighted in this thread and others already.

Anyhow before this artivcle ever came about i was begining to worry about [H]OCP. Especially his comments leading upto to his Phenom II review.
I have until my last conversation with Kyle through email been an avid reader of the forums and site itself since 2001 or earlier so long ago.
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?new...VzaWFzdCwsLDE=
Yep thats me way back winning some uber ram, couldnt believe i won at the time. Fast forward a few years.
This is a transcribe of emails about his direction and opinions i had with kyle previous to this article. Gotta say i was a bit confused and disapointed with the reply.

Last email sent > 1st

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From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 03:49AM
To: kyle@hardocp.com
Subject: Longtime reader lost faith

ok



From: Kyle Bennett [mailto:kyle@hardocp.com] 
Sent: 22 December 2008 19:19
To: xxxxx
Subject: RE: Longtime reader lost faith

 

Yeah, we just aint worth a :banana::banana::banana::banana: anymore.  I suggest never visiting again.

 

___________

Kyle R Bennett

Editor-in-Chief

[H]ard|OCP

 

From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:16 PM
To: kyle@hardocp.com
Subject: Longtime reader lost faith

 

I feel compelled to post this, but what’s happened to you guys? You seem to have gone from great to good to just wrong in 2 years.

Sure you can read this and say “and who the hell are you to say this”

It’s not just the content, it’s the mindset at [H] and many other sites have adopted in recent years.

Problem is I am not the only one with this opinion I believe. You can ask around, but it feels like [H] has become another TH just not as bad.. Yet ;)

On a positive note the New Year is coming and Santa better bring me some new hardware J

Hoping you can turn it around in 2009

Yours Sincerely 

Mr Xxxxxx

Hopefully he will re-evaluate his review of AMD's Phenom II at a later time, and do himself a favour with his credability and website.
And as much as i have tried to avoid doing, i still find myself clicking on my [H] Bookmark, its just the aftertaste has become a little sour ocasionally.

[Miss Banana]

TBH Kyle used a pretty retarded motherboard for the AMD system as well...
More info here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=588

[Particle]

It is odd you should say that, on XS of all places. Though, if you're not politically minded, you may not have noticed its absence at all.

I'm a little puzzled at you guys - so getting banned for trolling is supposed to be a badge of honor or something? What's next for you guys then? Doing this on another forum if someone looks at Phenom II in a bad light?

They didn't get banned for trolling. They got banned for daring to disagree with Kyle. There is a big difference unless you are trying to put forth that we must all agree with each other and nod enthusiastically at everything to not be trolling.

[DistortioniZm]

Hopefully people that are reading reviews for the phenom II head over to the anandtech site and read their write-up. The difference is like night and day; unbiased and thorough.

[gallag]

[Mav451]

They didn't get banned for trolling. They got banned for daring to disagree with Kyle. There is a big difference unless you are trying to put forth that we must all agree with each other and nod enthusiastically at everything to not be trolling.

How many of those that disagreed did it without the typical "Kyle is an Intel fanboy" or "[H] is a cult" nonsense? It's a bit hard to read through the noise. I have no problem with people putting well, thought-out and coherent statements, but those were few and far between. Most are just blinded AMD fans attacking the reviewer personally and not the review itself.

Anandtech's quality of review has also slipped since the glory days, so to say it is thorough or "unbiased" - you gotta have a short memory. Anandtech's own words were quoted in Intel marketing slides in 2006 for the Core2 presentation. You call that unbiased? Any AMD fan should have remembered that.

Anyway, it looks like Anand has taken some complaints seriously since he himself wrote the Phenom II review and not a random staff intern.
Now I love this forum as much as I love [H], but this kind of soap opera bull is getting eerily SF-like.

*Miss-Banana - the alternatives in your links are not SLI boards. Not much of a choice exactly, which is why I mention in the thread that the review should be updated if nVidia releases a better SLI board for AMD. << What are the chances of that happening though?