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Thread: I7 Waterblock Mini Review EK Supreme Vs Koolance 350 Vs Dtek Fusion V2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    notes:
    - HT is on
    - swiftech's backplate wasn't chosen as it will stress the motherboard
    - koolance back plate has this 2-3mm thick rubber insulator included
    that seems to be the better solution versus swiftechs
    - there are two rubber insulators from koolance..i don't suggest the rubber
    with the big hole in the middle..
    this wont make the metal backplate apply pressure evenly
    - check the flow testing i made the last time...
    - i hope dtek comes up with the mounting bracket soon


    Great Test!! I am very happy with my k-350, is that right? Not use the rubber backer with the hole?

    I see that you used small nuts to hold down the back plate to the mobo, is that because of the solid rubber backer?



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    well there are two rubber insulators included with the k350, one has a hole while the other one doesn't have it, i used the latter. hole- is for the metal plate on the motherboard. i used the latter since the rubber insulator is thicker than the metal plate at the motherboard. i'm sorry if this is abit confusing. but remember when we have the metal at the back..we compress the rubber..the rubber with the hole won't be as good as the rubber without the big hole in the middle. i sound like i'm so repetitive..hhahahah

    i used the small nuts from these

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=23990

    i made sure the backplate won't move..when i'm remounting...this is an awesome waterblock thanks for your kind words...

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    JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

    I TOLD YOU SO.

    THIS EXPECIALLY GOES OUT TO THAT UNKNOWN SITE WE ALL KNOW THAT CALLED ME A BS LIAR AND MY TEST BEING FLAWED.

    THOSE OF YOU THAT SAID MY TEST WAS FLAWD EAT IT. YOU JUST GOT FACED PALMED.

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    Honda your tests are very close to mine with the KL-350 winning.

    I had a 2-3C delta tho, KL-350 being lower.

    Once again great test! Another thing you can try is putting the pump right b4 the block, instead of b4 ther rad. Sometimes it gives you another 1-2C lower delta overall.
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    its ok, i know you love the challenge lol, i just want the good stuff,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    its ok, i know you love the challenge lol, i just want the good stuff,
    heh...

    dean said he was working on getting me some un cut accelerators for me to drill my own holes in.

    The block has a lot more potential.

    I was also thinkn of removing the mid plate to see if that gave me any benifit.

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    i totally forgot...i just moved the pumps just ahead of the waterblock..thanks for the tip...i'll update the graphs later on...

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    The 350 and the D-tek will pwn all blocks on i7. I said so long ago. Yawn. If I had the time or the interest, the 350 could be uber tuned much like the Fuzion. Mid plate is not needed at all.

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    i dropped some temps...with pumps just before the waterblock..this is gooooooood thanks naekuh will remount later..i'm still bleeding but the temps show a big drop already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    i dropped some temps...with pumps just before the waterblock..this is gooooooood thanks naekuh will remount later..i'm still bleeding but the temps show a big drop already
    you see i dont understand why noobs fight with me when most of my info is accurate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikhsub1 View Post
    The 350 and the D-tek will pwn all blocks on i7. I said so long ago. Yawn. If I had the time or the interest, the 350 could be uber tuned much like the Fuzion. Mid plate is not needed at all.
    Do tell us more. What was the theory at the time and conclusion now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    you see i dont understand why noobs fight with me when most of my info is accurate. !
    Because that means that some of it is whack

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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    Do tell us more. What was the theory at the time and conclusion now?
    It seems that most people forgot or never knew that I did a lot of testing and experimenting with different water block designs. All my testing was on a dual[omgihatetextadsinmyposts]core conroe, one single slug much like i7. Blocks tend to behave differently on dual die cpu's like yorkfield. Anyway, center inlet blocks with a bow (or a step) that can be tuned with nozzles (and/or tune the bow) will rule the roost on i7, there is no doubt. I never had luck with the EK block even though in theory it should be good. a 5mm nozzle (or 4.5mm) in the 350 or the fuzion will perform like no other on the i7. I don't have a 350 to mess with but with the fuzion you can also tune the bow...
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    JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.
    I TOLD YOU SO.
    THIS EXPECIALLY GOES OUT TO THAT UNKNOWN SITE WE ALL KNOW THAT CALLED ME A BS LIAR AND MY TEST BEING FLAWED.
    THOSE OF YOU THAT SAID MY TEST WAS FLAWD EAT IT. YOU JUST GOT FACED PALMED.
    lolz...
    also said that you did not read up on koolance 350 block being bowed in the first place... sometimes reading up instruction manuals is good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by septim View Post
    lolz...
    also said that you did not read up on koolance 350 block being bowed in the first place... sometimes reading up instruction manuals is good...

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    Center inlet. So something like the XSPC Delta V3 block?

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    Quote Originally Posted by septim View Post
    lolz...
    also said that you did not read up on koolance 350 block being bowed in the first place... sometimes reading up instruction manuals is good...
    Unfortunately its not in the manual (its something I asked to have added, and should be added soon) or noted on the website. The only place its been mentioned was in the Optimization sheet and several posts on forums. Its pretty easy to miss, its not very obvious .


    I'm very happy that these tests are showing similar results though, they also match our internal tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by septim View Post
    lolz...
    also said that you did not read up on koolance 350 block being bowed in the first place... sometimes reading up instruction manuals is good...
    yeah that is a doh on my part.

    But XXXX(you know who im talking about) LIED about me taking 1 month.

    1 MONTH? my ass my system wasnt even up for 1 month.

    It was in reality 5 DAYS.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikhsub1 View Post
    Because that means that some of it is whack
    yeah i admit im human and botch up sometimes. But i got great friends to point me where im wrong.
    Im a numbers person, show me numbers where im wrong and i'll go OOPS, give me my dunce hat.

    But if you start pulling i(imaginary number) on me. I'll lay down a can of woopass on you very hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikhsub1 View Post
    It seems that most people forgot or never knew that I did a lot of testing and experimenting with different water block designs. All my testing was on a dual core conroe, one single slug much like i7. Blocks tend to behave differently on dual die cpu's like yorkfield. Anyway, center inlet blocks with a bow (or a step) that can be tuned with nozzles (and/or tune the bow) will rule the roost on i7, there is no doubt. I never had luck with the EK block even though in theory it should be good. a 5mm nozzle (or 4.5mm) in the 350 or the fuzion will perform like no other on the i7. I don't have a 350 to mess with but with the fuzion you can also tune the bow...
    So, Scott, do you think that the Storm would do well on i7 then?

    edit: I mean if it were stepped?
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    so b4 everyone starts moving there pumps b4 cpu, let me clarify.

    This only works if you have an injector in the mid plate.

    If your running a low restriction block, pump order has no impact.

    The reason why it works well on injectors is (my theory) the pressure is hitting the mid plate more evenly. This gives you a better impact and also better performance.

    Moving your pump to get 1-2C is what i think is worth it. We change blocks sometimes to get that last bit of performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    But if you start pulling i(imaginary number) on me. I'll lay down a can of woopass on you very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by headala View Post
    So, Scott, do you think that the Storm would do well on i7 then?
    No, I know it won't. Storm does not do well (even stepped) on an IHS cpu...

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    not talking to you scott.

    im talking about people that straight up lie.

    Your one of the people that will come around and smack up upside the head with real numbers.
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    i went out and got a 920 retail to monkey with.

    As i said from the beginning, the KL-350 is a mean block:



    Enjoy.
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    excellent temps there...was ht enabled? i'm waiting for a 3.2....second ddc3.2 to die on me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikhsub1 View Post
    It seems that most people forgot or never knew that I did a lot of testing and experimenting with different water block designs. All my testing was on a dual[omgihatetextadsinmyposts]core conroe, one single slug much like i7. Blocks tend to behave differently on dual die cpu's like yorkfield. Anyway, center inlet blocks with a bow (or a step) that can be tuned with nozzles (and/or tune the bow) will rule the roost on i7, there is no doubt. I never had luck with the EK block even though in theory it should be good. a 5mm nozzle (or 4.5mm) in the 350 or the fuzion will perform like no other on the i7. I don't have a 350 to mess with but with the fuzion you can also tune the bow...
    Would the XSPC Delta V3 be considered such a block?

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    I'm going to scoop up a 350. Thanks for the testing guys

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