depending on the clock and if its gddr3 or 5 it will be some ware from the 4830 up to or slightly higher than the 4850. and it should retail relatively low. and sapphire told mne to rma my dead fan 3870 since they only make single slots facing the front of the case and that will be the same price point as the 3870 so they could rma and give me one. so thats what im looking forward to if its gddr5