AMD Phenom II Review Thread

[Rammsteiner]

You gave the answer to yourself why i7 is mentioned all the time -> i5 is the exact same cpu and gives the exact same performance on desktops apps, hell some preliminary test show its sometimes faster then a i7.

As it stands now AMD would need a 3.2-3,4ghz deneb to match a i7/i5 @ 2,66ghz.

How many times were we told not to follow so blindly those ES numbers? So why would those i5 numbers be correct?

I dont know whether it's true AMD needs a 3.2~3.4Ghz CPU to match a 2.66Ghz i5, but do we already know what speeds Intel is going to release anyway? Cause if it's that 'fast', they might only compete with their own line if they release the same frequency i5's.

As Ive already said as well, AMD has 9 months to improve Deneb before i5 hits, and this could be done various ways. Time will tell though, way too early to predict those things anyway.

HT is not inefficient

I didnt say HT is inefficient

Explain Pay for that as in the i7 940 selling for less than the 3800+ in its prime.

Back in the day AMD was better, and you paid for that back then. But that was CPU only, now we've an entire platform needing expensive motherboards and not to forget, special DDR3.

I'm glad Ph2 920 has a common sense price because those mentioned would have made it an even worse deal. Never mind that though as Q9550 is less as well. Tell that Pay for it BS to folks who bought not only Intel X6800 but many here who both $669 4400+ and $850 FX-55. The whole system cost might be legit but trying to single just i7 is nothing but Fanboi Banter.

Oh, here we go again. Carefull you dont put too much effort into growing up

That pay BS isnt stupid. In this case you pay a lot for every part of the platform, special DDR3 and the motherboards ain't very cheap either. You didnt have to pay that for either 775 or 939. And yes, unless there's a clear advantage to pay more I dont think people getting XE/FX CPU's or high-end CPU's is a smart thing to do if you can OC. Back in the 939 days a HTT of 300Mhz+ was pretty average, so having a 9x multiplier was often about the max you had to get, if you had a good stepping of course but that was often not much of a problem either.

Some folks think AMD could benefit from Hyperthreading. Dirk might have worked with it while at DEC

Sure they can, as long as it's needed. And certainly in the server market for the time being.