I'm actually surprised AMD is pitting PII against the low end C2D, aka Q9300/Q9400. That should tell a lot about the expected performance of these chips. It's kinda surprising how low they're clocking (stable) tho; at least that was the case with the Tech Report. I mean 3.5Ghz was max stable? Maybe we will some some redemptive 6Ghz+ runs by the usual suspects to help AMD save face. Dr. Who? was right, manufacturer demos should always be taken with a grain a salt.