AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Zucker2k]

You're right you can go now
Only a moron can get a conclusion with one imcomplete review...

Sorry my conclusions are drawn from more than one review; fortunately, I'm not as blind as you as I've followed all the reviews you choose to ignore. Only an imbecile would assume what another person is basing his arguments on. Here's a piece of advice; when in doubt, ask. Tu comprende?

[AbelJemka]

Sorry my conclusions are drawn from more than one review; fortunately, I'm not as blind as you as I've followed all the reviews you choose to ignore. Only an imbecile would assume what another person is basing his arguments on. Here's a piece of advice; when in doubt, ask. Tu comprende?

Enlight me Zucker2K show me your links

[informal]

Abel don't quote him,that way we that used the magical ignore button on him can see how his *magnificent deduction skills* work (or fail to do so) . But he is persistant,you gotta give him credit for that(apart from being able to insult almost every one who disagrees with him )

[wolverine]

Cool the ignore button doesnt slow down the load time for pages like it does at some other forums

[roofsniper]

Abel don't quote him,that way we that used the magical ignore button on him can see how his *magnificent deduction skills* work (or fail to do so) . But he is persistant,you gotta give him credit for that(apart from being able to insult almost every one who disagrees with him )

lol i was just about to say the same. theres no point in talking to someone who ignores every word you say anyway.

[TL1000S]

how many times its been pointed out power=!voltage.
P (watts) = E(voltage) x I(current)
even if you have more voltage but significantly lesser current, power still lower.

My answer was about "temps" (numbers) many tend to think is acutal temperatures within a core, from a point on the PCB..etc.

But if you feel like giving answers to something else, that is OK.

[roofsniper]

My answer was about "temps" (numbers) many tend to think is acutal temperatures within a core, from a point on the PCB..etc.

But if you feel like giving answers to something else, that is OK.

idk if he was talking to you because it doesn't have to do with what you said. he might of been responding to people in this thread that have said because of voltage is higher it should consume more power which isn't true.

[sundancerx]

My answer was about "temps" (numbers) many tend to think is acutal temperatures within a core, from a point on the PCB..etc.

But if you feel like giving answers to something else, that is OK.

ok, im not sure if i got it right.
you were replying to someone asking about why something is cooler when it has higher volts.
your reply to something to this effect, someone/something mis/assigning figures to an electrical value(resistance) to come up with temps lower than actual. then you add, this why some temps are lower than ambient.
here you were clearly implying that, only way to have lower temp but wiht higher volts is to misassign/misrepresent numbers/values.
to which i replied, its possible to have cooler temp but hgiher volts withouth rigging anything, ONLY i chose to express in formula.
if i misnterpreted anything, sorry. also, sorry fo r bad spelling,english.
edit: also if i may add (just trying to recall whats on my head, not searching or anything), volts doesnt produce heat. its the current that flows through the circuit that does. as current flows, resistance is encountered. when there is resistance, there is friction which in turn generates heat.

[imsochobo]

well, depends if you say power is watts or power in ampere's.

lets say it like this.
It comsumes more energy.

[roofsniper]

ok, im not sure if i got it right.
you were replying to someone asking about why something is cooler when it has higher volts.
your reply to something to this effect, someone/something mis/assigning figures to an electrical value(resistance) to come up with temps lower than actual. then you add, this why some temps are lower than ambient.
here you were clearly implying that, only way to have lower temp but wiht higher volts is to misassign/misrepresent numbers/values.
to which i replied, its possible to have cooler temp but hgiher volts withouth rigging anything, ONLY i chose to express in formula.
if i misnterpreted anything, sorry. also, sorry fo r bad spelling,english.

no he is just saying how the temperature is measured. as electronics heat up the resistance changes so the probe measures the resistance and can tell what the cpu temp is because of that.

[accord99]

research before posting. i believe the first leak ever about phenom II was when coolaler reached 4ghz on air and we have seen many others at 4.5ghz on air too.

None of which were shown to be truly stable.

also if you would look at the chips of many people clocked here you would see that even at 3.7ghz it still stays pretty cool. look at all the screens charged and honda guy have posted. many people are reaching 3.5, 3.6ghz on stock volts too so it really isn't that power hungry. i have no clue where hwbox got all of their numbers from but the power consumption seems really far off compared to every other screen we have seen for phenom II so far.

Except we've never seen any other power consumption measurements for Phenom II so far. Given hwbox's results, it's far more likely that Phenom II temp sensors are inaccurate, or at best not directly comparable to Intel sensors readings.

[roofsniper]

None of which were shown to be truly stable.


Except we've never seen any other power consumption measurements for Phenom II so far. Given hwbox's results, it's far more likely that Phenom II temp sensors are inaccurate, or at best not directly comparable to Intel sensors readings.

coolaler said that they were stable, im not sure about the other 4.5ghz ones but i doubt any tests were run. and considering that phenom II's temp sensors are the same as phenom I's i doubt they would be inaccurate. now the am3 ones are a different type of sensor so they might be.

[G0ldBr1ck]

The higher the voltage the less Ampere's are recquired to do the same amount of work. It all depends on the ciruit, but more volts does not at all mean that energy consumption has to be higher.

If I needed to do 200watts of work I could use 200amps@1 volt.
I can do the same amount of work with only 133amps if I use 1.5 volts.

Volts x amps =watts. So in the end im still using 200 watts both ways.

[accord99]

coolaler said that they were stable, im not sure about the other 4.5ghz ones but i doubt any tests were run. and considering that phenom II's temp sensors are the same as phenom I's i doubt they would be inaccurate. now the am3 ones are a different type of sensor so they might be.

The Phenom I's aren't that accurate, or at least they don't measure the same thing that Intel temperature sensors do.

http://forum.xcpus.com/amd/9811-phen...-behavior.html

[Throwed]

Is there a way to ignore a users post?.....In a way that their post never pop up as long as you are logged in?

[roofsniper]

edit: also if i may add (just trying to recall whats on my head, not searching or anything), volts doesnt produce heat. its the current that flows through the circuit that does. as current flows, resistance is encountered. when there is resistance, there is friction which in turn generates heat.

volts and amps can be converted inbetween each other. they both produce heat. as you know fan controllers use resistors to lower the volts which in turn lowers the fan speed. if you have ever touched one of those resistors they get pretty hot because they produce heat from lowering the volts.

[roofsniper]

The higher the voltage the less Ampere's are recquired to do the same amount of work. It all depends on the ciruit, but more volts does not at all mean that energy consumption has to be higher.

If I needed to do 200watts of work I could use 200amps@1 volt.
I can do the same amount of work with only 133amps if I use 1.5 volts.

Volts x amps =watts. So in the end im still using 200 watts both ways.

i and many others have said this many times already. im not sure if people are forgetting it or what. but just because the volts are higher doesn't mean the power consumption will be higher.

Is there a way to ignore a users post?.....In a way that their post never pop up as long as you are logged in?

yea go into your user cp and you can add people from there. who you trying to block? zucker is probably on half of the people's lists in here.

@accord some might not be accurate but that will be obvious when you encounter it. that would be a problem with the cpu not the entire cpu's design.

[accord99]

@accord some might not be accurate but that will be obvious when you encounter it. that would be a problem with the cpu not the entire cpu's design.

Why not? Brisbane's thermal sensors were broken at launch, and don't appear to have been fixed. Plenty of early Wolfdales and Yorkfields have stuck sensors.

[roofsniper]

its just too hard to believe that every single phenom II is broken when there was no problem with the first phenom and the temp sensors are the same now.

[accord99]

its just too hard to believe that every single phenom II is broken when there was no problem with the first phenom and the temp sensors are the same now.

The Phenom I temp sensors are not accurate.

[Mav451]

I find it ironical that some would believe an Intel temp sensor over AMD's when it was the 45nm Intel's that started the "Real Temp" application's development in the first place.

Are people that quick to forget?

[accord99]

I find it ironical that some would believe an Intel temp sensor over AMD's when it was the 45nm Intel's that started the "Real Temp" application's development in the first place.

Are people that quick to forget?

That came about from an issue of exactly what Tjmax value to use for Wolfdales and Yorkfields due to a lack of documentation, and really still isn't fully settled. On the other hand, it just proves that the Intel sensors shouldn't be used as an absolute temperature reading, only as a guide to as far away the CPU is from throttling and that it shouldn't be compared to temperature readings from different CPU families.

[Macadamia]

The Phenom I temp sensors are not accurate.

Proof?

[accord99]

Proof?

Read the link I provided earlier:

http://forum.xcpus.com/amd/9811-phen...-behavior.html

[roofsniper]

Proof?

that one thread he posted is the proof that all phenoms have a bad temp sensor and are not accurate. the one that is a year old on the old B2 phenoms. that one.