AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Lastviking]

That's a wrong summation; Ci7 can take heat more than Deneb, it's by design. Your Deneb won't overclock a damn if your core voltages reach anywhere near Ci7. As you guys would find out soon enough: Deneb needs to be kept cold in order to reach the 3.6, 3.8 Ghz range. A 60C t5emp may be the limit for Deneb, but it's certainly not the case for Ci7.

Ci7 is good if you are freezing....its like a fire place... it loves high temps , i dont like have cpus that are 60c+ thats why i choice Phenom II instead of Ci7.... Maybe its dont clock high like the Ci7 with air and sucide screens...buts its looks its clocks very well under LN2 and are much cheaper than the Ci7 if you buying all the parts.

[iocedmyself]

Ci7 is good if you are freezing....its like a fire place... it loves high temps , i dont like have cpus that are 60c+ thats why i choice Phenom II instead of Ci7.... Maybe its dont clock high like the Ci7 with air and sucide screens...buts its looks its clocks very well under LN2 and are much cheaper than the Ci7 if you buying all the parts.

Well....i'm somewhat confused....if you're trying to say that phenom ii doesn't clock high like I7...that's backwards,

I personally already posted screenie a few pages back in this thread near 4.6. That's on air.

Official record on air for phenom II is 4.7

The world record for I7 with LN2 is 5.5

The world record for Phenom II is 6.3

Phenom II's clock higher than I7...no debate about that. They do it on air at about half the load temp, and no matter how you slice it system power consumption is a fraction of I7.

As far as chip temps go, i half agree, since thermal probe can clear that up, or IR thermometer at base of heatsink should be within a couple c of reported temp. It does depend on motherboard and whether or not the thermal probes got screwed up.

However, i will say again, that the reported temp is nothing near the INTERNAL tempatures at the hot spots which are usually 15-20c above anything accurately reported. Yes many are not savvy when it comes to installing heatsinks, but i would think that the majority of those that post in this forum can figure out how to mount a heatsink properly.

Regardless of software, bios is almost always accurate and shouldn't be much question as to validity if software reports similar temps. Bios, Asus AI, AOD, thermal probe and IR thermometer have ALL given temps within 1-2c of one another for me, and as far as I7 goes, again there is no debate on thier high temps.

[Mav451]

The world record for I7 with LN2 is 5.5

The world record for Phenom II is 6.3

Phenom II's clock higher than I7...no debate about that. They do it on air at about half the load temp, and no matter how you slice it system power consumption is a fraction of I7.

No one is doubting they clock higher, the problem is the PhII's IPC. It's not as good as the i7, so higher clocks is the only way to get around that. In that sense, does that 800Mhz clock advantage even matter in the WR? And for the air OCs, are those sufficient to compete with 45 Q9's? Particularly if people already get 1:1 the same clocks?

Don't get me wrong - I want to return to being pure AMD, but that's tough if it's not even winning the IPC department anymore, and then only marginally winning in the air OCs. If we know AMD requires more clocks just to be competitive, then the small difference in max OCs is no longer a positive, just a necessity

*mind you I'm still keeping hope, but only my heart is. My head is saying stop being optimistic, and to wait for more data come Jan 8th.

[Caveman787]

Price may be the only thing that deneb has to fall on.

But if that's the case it won't likely draw people back from intel.

[Lastviking]

Well....i'm somewhat confused....if you're trying to say that phenom ii doesn't clock high like I7...that's backwards,

I personally already posted screenie a few pages back in this thread near 4.6. That's on air.

Official record on air for phenom II is 4.7

The world record for I7 with LN2 is 5.5

The world record for Phenom II is 6.3

Phenom II's clock higher than I7...no debate about that. They do it on air at about half the load temp, and no matter how you slice it system power consumption is a fraction of I7.

As far as chip temps go, i half agree, since thermal probe can clear that up, or IR thermometer at base of heatsink should be within a couple c of reported temp. It does depend on motherboard and whether or not the thermal probes got screwed up.

However, i will say again, that the reported temp is nothing near the INTERNAL tempatures at the hot spots which are usually 15-20c above anything accurately reported. Yes many are not savvy when it comes to installing heatsinks, but i would think that the majority of those that post in this forum can figure out how to mount a heatsink properly.

Regardless of software, bios is almost always accurate and shouldn't be much question as to validity if software reports similar temps. Bios, Asus AI, AOD, thermal probe and IR thermometer have ALL given temps within 1-2c of one another for me, and as far as I7 goes, again there is no debate on thier high temps.

Dont get me wrong here

Phenom II clocks higher on LN2 than Ci7(buts its looks its clocks very well under LN2 and are much cheaper than the Ci7 if you buying all the parts"this is ++ things for Phenom II)

Ci7 clocks high on air(Phenom II also but its looks like Ci7 is abit stronger here but not much, but it can be becuse of that not all can buy Phenom II yet)

You did say Phenom II have done 4.7 on air...the Ci7 920 have also done that and many is doing 4.6 on air.

Dont get me wrong... i love Phenom II but i dont like "Zucker2k"


And one more thing 4.8 will soon be taken by air if i dont get a bad one (Phenom II 940BE)

[Zucker2k]

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Dont get me wrong... i love Phenom II but i dont like "Zucker2k"

Awww, you're breaking my heart. Can we keep personal feelings out of this thread? Anyway, I'm curious; why don't you like me?

[roofsniper]

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Awww, you're breaking my heart. Can we keep personal feelings out of this thread? Anyway, I'm curious; why don't you like me?

might be because the thread topic is amd shanghai/deneb review thread not all out bash amd and everyone that runs amd without any logical thinking.

[Calmatory]

might be because the thread topic is amd shanghai/deneb review thread not all out bash amd and everyone that runs amd without any logical thinking.

Reminder: AMD(or Intel) section does not(or at least should not!) mean "Here AMD(or Intel) can suck as much as possible and get owned by Intel(or AMD) as much as possible without anyone disturbing and laughing at it!".

(Waiting for someone to misunderstand this post as flamebait and as AMD bashing! )

[roofsniper]

Reminder: AMD(or Intel) section does not(or at least should not!) mean "Here AMD(or Intel) can suck as much as possible and get owned by Intel(or AMD) as much as possible without anyone disturbing and laughing at it!".

(Waiting for someone to misunderstand this post as flamebait and as AMD bashing! )

yea i understand but have you read his past posts? they make absolutely no sense and most of the time have nothing to do with the topic. i can't even recall if he has ever said anything positive about amd. most people aren't trolls but there are a handful that come here just to troll.