The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[ShawnTRD]

I guess so...

[xxDayTrader]

try a drop or 2 more of FSBT, it should help you, if not post your complete bios setup and I'll try your settings

tried a couple drops on FSBT, lowered vcore and upped PLL (per your previous post) (did all one at a time and got failures each time). Here are the last 3 failures and the final BIOS (that went with the third failure) below.




0308 BIOS

Extreme Tweaker 
Ai Overclock Tuner : MANUAL 
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO 
CPU Ratio Control : Manual 
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM Timing Control: MANUAL 
DRAM CLK Skew A : Adv 300
DRAM CLK Skew B : Adv 300
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

1st Information: Manual through RAS# ACT Time / "Auto" for the rest 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3
2nd Information : Auto (8-3-5-4-6-4-6)
3rd Information : Auto (14-5-1-6-6)

DRAM Static Read Control : ENABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONGER
Transaction Booster : MANUAL
Common Perf. Level : 7

CPU Voltage : 1.550
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.62
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.02
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.46
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .67
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50

NB LED : NB Volt
SB LED : SB Volt
CPU LED : CPU Volt
Voltmeter: ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum : DISABLED

CPU Ratio Control : MANUAL
 Ratio :  8
C1E Support : DISABLED
CPU TM Function : DISABLED
Vanderpool : DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit : DISABLED
Max CPUID Value : DISABLED

[Commander_HK47]

Do I gain performance from lower multplier, and higher FSB?

Yes, you will see improvement in benchmark programs, however the real question is will you see improvement in applications like games? That is the real question because not all gaming applications will see improvements from increase of bandwidth as not all games are codded to utilize that extra memory bandwidth.

You have to experiment with the software you have now and take notes and finally compare your results. Your best results will be with games that use large textures, or large environments.

As for other programs i believe that programs like Photoshop when working with very large resolution/numerous images will see improvements.

[binormalkilla]

Do I gain performance from lower multplier, and higher FSB?

You will see a tremendous benefit in memory bandwidth and latency on Intel platforms due to the memory controller have to communicate to the CPU through the FSB.
Now on Intel Core i7 and AMD systems tighter timings normally take priority, as the memory controller is on the CPU die (thus behind the FSB.)


Ok here are my settings that are 1h20m prime blended stable:
Maximus Formula Converted to a Rampage Formula

BIOS:  RF0701  
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 475

DRAM Clock CMD Skew CH1 A1 : AUTO (greyed out?  don't remember that..)
DRAM Clock CMD Skew CH1 A2 : AUTO (same, greyed out)
DRAM Clock CLK Skew CH1 B1 :  advance 300ps
DRAM Clock CLK Skew CH1 B2 :  advance 300ps

FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-950 (would like to run 1141)
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18 (haven't tested lower much)
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60 (maybe 65 or higher to clock higher?)
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 6
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 6

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled (open to suggestions on this one..)
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [9]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.52500 (probably can run lower, just for now)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.71
DRAM Voltage : 2.20
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.54 (don't know if I need this much)
South Bridge Voltage :  1.1
SB 1.5V:  1.60
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :  AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO

I would like to get DDR2-1141 and tighter MCH latencies....so any advice is greatly appreciated.

[chew*]

Hey day can you do me a favor and run just small fft's, It would help to determine if it's system/ram related or just the cpu *EDIT* Actually it errored on 8k.....thats more than likely cpu related. I usually run small fft's first get CPU real stable then shift to dealing with the rest with blend after.

[ShawnTRD]

binormalkilla
Thanks for the info on oh the memory bandwidth is so linked to the CPU. As for what advice for you I would say try increasing CPU PLL Voltage. I had to raise mine. I think I'm around 1.58 to 1.62. Increase CPU GTL Reference to 0.67X. I've not had to increase my South Bridge Voltage or SB 1.5V. And running at 3.8 what is you core temps doing?

[xxDayTrader]

Hey day can you do me a favor and run just small fft's, It would help to determine if it's system/ram related or just the cpu *EDIT* Actually it errored on 8k.....thats more than likely cpu related. I usually run small fft's first get CPU real stable then shift to dealing with the rest with blend after.

I pretty much just run small FFTs.... Once I started adjusting my RAM a bit I ran a large FFT and a Blend just to make sure the RAM had "some" stability. The tests above were all Small FFTs.

Mike

[chew*]

Not done testing yet this is just small fft's, loving the low volt OC's.

BIOS
cpu 1.325
PLL 1.50
fsb term 1.28
nb volts 1.45



Updated pic from a few days ago before i added the true 120.



Reason it's important to lap all heatsinks no matter how good they are or how much they cost.

[xxDayTrader]

Not done testing yet this is just small fft's, loving the low volt OC's.

BIOS
cpu 1.325
PLL 1.50
fsb term 1.28
nb volts 1.45

Man, I can't get anywhere NEAR that low on cpu voltage without a BSOD as Vista loads up. ....ahhhh, back to my guesswork.

[chew*]

hmm, Im at 8 hours blend so far, probably going to shut it off soon, need to make sure 3d is stable as i have a clan match tonight.

My chip is a really low vid, but I would check your mount on your heatsink and or heatpipe assembly for chipset. I couldn't get over 3.2 on that OCZ cooler till I lapped it and got a good mount with the proper amount of thermal paste. I repasted the NB/SB the day i got the board.

[Grnfinger]

[chew*]

some sweet ram clocks grn, looks like you didn't optimize that PI run yet, I'm guessing you can probably squeak out a sub 13


Here ya go 9 hours blend and still going, the timings I listed for OCZ platinum ram earlier appear to be stable for at least 1080mhz( I think they finally errored out in memtest on test 5 at 1120mhz ). Been surfing the net all day as well no issues. Gotta test 3d real quick match is coming up soon, Will try to push more later.

[chew*]

3dmark 06
9x400
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9428367

3dmark 06
8x450
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9492767 0701 bios

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9493053 0308 bios

whether or not in games it will make a diff is another story, maybe 1/2-1 fps.

I think the 0701 bios is a little better performance wise for 3d, I ran the tests a few times and they were consistent.

Seems the 0308 is a little better for memory performance.

0308 bios


0701 bios

[Commander_HK47]

I think the 0701 bios is a little better performance wise for 3d, I ran the tests a few times and they were consistent.

Seems the 0308 is a little better for memory performance.

I am currently in the process of learning how Asus packages there bios modules(the units that make up the rom file), Aiming for a four phase project: extract, interpret, modify, and repack for use. Currently i have the tools to extract the modules, and I am currently in the process of interpreting the information...

I know that it is possible to use customized bios files with any given motherboard as i have used several with board back in the day, I just never spent the time to see how they(the coders)compiled them...

[OLDcomer]

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Can you share your bios settings because i am trying to make my q6600 stable at 3.8 with my p5e@rampage308?

[binormalkilla]

Can you share your bios settings because i am trying to make my q6600 stable at 3.8 with my p5e@rampage308?

THese settings on my board are prime stable for 1h20min so far.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=7829

[chew*]

Seems the 4870 scales a little better @ 3.6 versus 3.2 same clocks on card. I originally only gained 300 points @ 3.2g, now gaining 400+.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9502086 card @ 850/975 fan 50%

[t_ski]

Hey guys is there a fix for the usb ports not working? I connected the front case usb cables and they wont work,is there a setting on the bios or something ?
TY

Have you double-checked the USB header? When I put everything in my new case I missed the pins by one row.

Is it just me or does my RAM performance seem week for 1066?

A little bit. I am running close, but my timings are just a hair tighter. What PL are you running them?

5-5-5-15 other than below settings leave to auto for now....

Dram static read Disabled
AI clock twister Lighter
AI transaction Manual
Performance level [07]
Dram clock skew CH A 300ps
Dram clock skew CH B 300ps

Dram volt 2.14
Fsb term 1.28
NB voltage 1.55 (Real)

Settings are for max clock on ram.


Grn,
Any ideas on a black screen of death while priming?
I got my TRUE 120 today bumped up to 3.7 fine, primed for a few hours fine, bumped to 3.8 boot to windows ran a quick PI 1M, fired up prime ran 2 cycles reboot/BSOD, no blue screen no errors just like its rebooting the more voltage i toss at it the faster it crashes.....I'm thinking PSU.

Also anyone experience weird problems after a power outage or disconnecting power? This thing hangs on USB devices, loses hard drives, everytime after unplugging it to work on, never did it with the maxximus formula bios's. I have to pull all USB sticks out and unplug and plug one of my sata drives in to get it to realize it's there.

Chew*, what difference does the skew setting have on yours going from 300 to 350ps? I never messed with mine until the other day, and started at 350.

Also, in regards to your boot issue, do you have a USB drive in there every time? Is the machine trying to boot from it? I saw a computer I worked on recently have a black screen on it upon reboot, and when I noticed the flash drive in the USB hub connected to it, I pulled the drive and it booted.

[Zucker2k]

So my pump died a couple of days ago, and I was experimenting with ways to run pumpless until I got a replacement pump. So I set my chip to the stock vcore of 1.232v, dropped the multiplier to x6 and started bumping fsb till I got this:

Edit: Idle was 50c on highest core, and prime blend load was 70 before I stopped it.

[ZenEffect]

So my pump died a couple of days ago, and I was experimenting with ways to run pumpless until I got a replacement pump. So I set my chip to the stock vcore of 1.232v, dropped the multiplier to x6 and started bumping fsb till I got this:

Edit: Idle was 50c on highest core, and prime blend load was 70 before I stopped it.

how did you manage pl8 w/ 1:1? what are your settings?

[Zucker2k]

how did you manage pl8 w/ 1:1? what are your settings?

multi = x6
dram skews = 300 A/B
RAM timings = stock = 5-5-5-15
Dram Static Read = Enabled
Ai Clock = Stronger
PL = 8

vcore = 1.2500v (1.232v real)
cpu pll = 1.50 (1.58 real)
NB = 1.65
Dimm = 2.10v
FSBT = 1.60v (1.52v real)
SBV = 1.50v
SB 1.5v = 1.50v
LLC = Disabled
CPU GTL = x65
NB GTL = x67

[MJR]

multi = x6
dram skews = 300 A/B
RAM timings = stock = 5-5-5-15
Dram Static Read = Enabled
Ai Clock = Stronger
PL = 8

vcore = 1.2500v (1.232v real)
cpu pll = 1.50 (1.58 real)
NB = 1.65
Dimm = 2.10v
FSBT = 1.60v (1.52v real)
SBV = 1.50v
SB 1.5v = 1.50v
LLC = Disabled
CPU GTL = x65
NB GTL = x67

Are you on a maximus formula x38 Rampage converted? or are you on an actual x48 rampage? I just can't figure out how you are getting such high fsb clocks on the Q9550.

[Zucker2k]

Are you on a maximus formula x38 Rampage converted? or are you on an actual x48 rampage? I just can't figure out how you are getting such high fsb clocks on the Q9550.

On a rampage...

This thing is rock stable.... I'm browing and and using word 2007....

[chew*]

Have you double-checked the USB header? When I put everything in my new case I missed the pins by one row.

A little bit. I am running close, but my timings are just a hair tighter. What PL are you running them?



Chew*, what difference does the skew setting have on yours going from 300 to 350ps? I never messed with mine until the other day, and started at 350.

Also, in regards to your boot issue, do you have a USB drive in there every time? Is the machine trying to boot from it? I saw a computer I worked on recently have a black screen on it upon reboot, and when I noticed the flash drive in the USB hub connected to it, I pulled the drive and it booted.

Higher skew adds stability depending on the ram thats all, tony reccomends advance 300 so i rolled with it.

Iv'e got one USB stick modded for booting, one 8 gig for whatever and speedbooster in vista and a media drive.

I never had the issue with the maxximus bios's however and they appear to have the same usb options. I dunno what the issue is but as long as I don't disc power its all good. I already tried removing all USB devices, for some reason I think my old seagate is causing the issue because when it happens that drive dissapears and only reappears after i get it booting properly and unplug/plug it in hot.

[binormalkilla]

binormalkilla
Thanks for the info on oh the memory bandwidth is so linked to the CPU. As for what advice for you I would say try increasing CPU PLL Voltage. I had to raise mine. I think I'm around 1.58 to 1.62. Increase CPU GTL Reference to 0.67X. I've not had to increase my South Bridge Voltage or SB 1.5V. And running at 3.8 what is you core temps doing?

My temps are somewhere around 50-60C on Prime95. Does FSBT help improve PL settings? I thought that was only FSB.....
Anyhow, I can't even post at DDR2-1141......meh.