Asus P6T / Rampage II Extreme: no "CPU VR Current Override" ???

[tjelaw]

Im running a 920 on a P6T Deluxe @ 200x21

CPU voltage: 1.35
QPI/DRAM volt: 1.4
HT enabled

Intel TM disabled
C1E disbabled

When I use LinX to bench/stress CPU-Z shows my multiplier going down to 20.5, resulting in "4125mhz".
Is this the same problem as discussed in this thread?



are there ways around this?

[miahallen]

I don't think you'll actually have an issue with it as long as you're benching. Only programs like prime or wcg cause the throttling. Though I guess when you overvolt it far enough, it will start throttling at lower loads cause the current will increase quite a bit. As far as I can tell though, the intel board would be better for the 920 than this, now ain't that ironic... What possessed asus to screw us over like this, when even intel provides the current override...

I guarentee it'll affect my benching with wPrime, and 3D06 & 3DMark Vantage...that's 4 major benchmarks I'm concerned with....maybe you guys will have to watch for this RIIE in the classies when I decide to upgrade to the eVGA FTW (aka Shimano) board when in comes out in January.

[webwilli]

Im running a 920 on a P6T Deluxe @ 200x21

CPU voltage: 1.35
QPI/DRAM volt: 1.4
HT enabled

Intel TM disabled
C1E disbabled

When I use LinX to bench/stress CPU-Z shows my multiplier going down to 20.5, resulting in "4125mhz".
Is this the same problem as discussed in this thread?



are there ways around this?

correct. this is the same problem.

set your vcore to 1.38 or more an the multiplier going down to 20.0

[dejanh]

correct. this is the same problem.

set your vcore to 1.38 or more an the multiplier going down to 20.0

What's funny is that I pointed this out weeks ago, but nobody believed me, or rather nobody seemed to care. Even HardOCP and Tom's did not notice this. They went by what the Asus reps said, which is completly incorrect. Asus is the only board manufacturer whose boards have no ability to override the TDP limit.

It does suck, big time. I also attribute a lot of hard locks and reboots at high clocks to this, as voltages are high for high clocks, but maybe that's just me. We need this feature though, we really do.

Anyway, I'll post the link to my original complaint sometime later today.

[webwilli]

it really sucks without this feature.

i don´t understand Asus.

They call it "The Ultimate Overclocking Board for Tweaking Fun", but the very important TDP Override is not in the bios

i hope Asus will fix this problem.

[tjelaw]

Yup, this sucks... its almost useless for overclocking...

anyone know if it would be technically possible for them to fix it with a bios update?

[miahallen]

Yup, this sucks... its almost useless for overclocking...

anyone know if it would be technically possible for them to fix it with a bios update?

I believe it would

[fubarswe]

tried this and got this..REII and 920 cooled by SS...1866 sticks 9-9-9-24



.., and this...



Have lot of other issues though.., cant get consistency i 3D runs.., results all over the place...

best 06..



Vantage on air..,



Seems that 1.5 v-core bios (1.48) is limit for concistent results.., more.., and results go wild... no matter the cooling...

.., just met my goal..06 in 4.4ghz with little SS...

[dejanh]

tried this and got this..REII and 920 cooled by SS...1866 sticks 9-9-9-24



.., and this...



Have lot of other issues though.., cant get consistency i 3D runs.., results all over the place...

best 06..



Vantage on air..,



Seems that 1.5 v-core bios (1.48) is limit for concistent results.., more.., and results go wild... no matter the cooling...

.., just met my goal..06 in 4.4ghz with little SS...

Your results are wild because the chip is starting to throttle. You won't see it though as by the time your benchmark run is done the multipliers are restored to 21x. The 1.46V at 4.2GHz is with a SS which means that your lower temps are keeping the TDP in check so the TDP limit is not getting triggered.

Also, as promised, here is the link to my original post on Asus forums...roughly two weeks ago now...

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

[fubarswe]

Yes.., figured it out.., limit seems to be 1.5 in bios.., throttling by chip makes it difficult to tell sometimes what problem is.., but.., problems are there to be solved.. :-)

[webwilli]

Also, as promised, here is the link to my original post on Asus forums...roughly two weeks ago now...

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

and no replay from asus...

[Twist360]

and no replay from asus...

i have pushed up the thread on Asus forum

see it : http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...20II%20Extreme

and here : http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...20II%20Extreme

because it's a determinant argument for me i would like to buy i940 + R2E...

[T_Flight]

Guys, don't bug them. I just posted about that above. If you pester them they will Ignore it. They are working on platform compatibility issues right now. They will be doing that until the RAM development settles. Give them a break. If this is something worth looking into they will.

If that thread keeps getting bumped and rebumped, they might delete it. Let's all work with them, not against them OK? This would be a neat feature, but we won't get it if we're not polite.

Remember, they could just decide to say "You don't have an Extreme Edition CPU, and that's why you're having this issue." Eventhough I do have an Extreme Edition CPU, I'll get on there and help you guys. I'm trying to figure out why I cannot get to the forum. All I get with these links are page not found errors. I can't figure out what's causing it.

[Twist360]

Guys, don't bug them

I totaly agree with you but...

They are working on platform compatibility issues right now. They will be doing that until the RAM development settles. Give them a break. If this is something worth looking into they will.

Is this an official news ?
Because if i can imagine that a company as Asus is or will work on this kind of problem,
it's normal as (thousand) potential future buyers that we are, to ask them an official position, regarding the price of such motherboard isn't it ?
i'm not talking about a milkshake

Remember, they could just decide to say "You don't have an Extreme Edition CPU, and that's why you're having this issue."

If they will say it, it will be their consent that they wont fix it for i7 920 & 940, then it will be called a positioning of market : Then i will give a chance to Gigabyte or eVGA.

Actually, the chance is still for Asus, so i'm patient : But they must know.

[cky2k6]

Guys, don't bug them. I just posted about that above. If you pester them they will Ignore it. They are working on platform compatibility issues right now. They will be doing that until the RAM development settles. Give them a break. If this is something worth looking into they will.

If that thread keeps getting bumped and rebumped, they might delete it. Let's all work with them, not against them OK? This would be a neat feature, but we won't get it if we're not polite.

Remember, they could just decide to say "You don't have an Extreme Edition CPU, and that's why you're having this issue." Eventhough I do have an Extreme Edition CPU, I'll get on there and help you guys. I'm trying to figure out why I cannot get to the forum. All I get with these links are page not found errors. I can't figure out what's causing it.

As far as I can understand, doesn't the smackover board support turning off the tdp limit? The point is, that this is not a feature to limit overclocks, but rather to just keep the chip within operating limits at stock speeds. Asus, for some reason, decided that it will apply this policy on users that aren't Intel's focus. This isn't like a major update, I would imagine memory compatibility is about 10x as complicated to fix as a simple multiplier switch triggered by a tdp ceiling. I'm only going to be patient for so long, if Asus doesn't even acknowledge this issue, then I will exchange this board for a dfi or evga one before my 30 day return limit on newegg...

[dejanh]

Guys, don't bug them. I just posted about that above. If you pester them they will Ignore it. They are working on platform compatibility issues right now. They will be doing that until the RAM development settles. Give them a break. If this is something worth looking into they will.

If that thread keeps getting bumped and rebumped, they might delete it. Let's all work with them, not against them OK? This would be a neat feature, but we won't get it if we're not polite.

Remember, they could just decide to say "You don't have an Extreme Edition CPU, and that's why you're having this issue." Eventhough I do have an Extreme Edition CPU, I'll get on there and help you guys. I'm trying to figure out why I cannot get to the forum. All I get with these links are page not found errors. I can't figure out what's causing it.

I do not agree with you really...

1. This is not "bugging" anyone. Indeed, if there is an issue we should bring it up and Asus should fix it.
2. You say that they are "working on platform compatibility issues right now". Like what? Making useless 2GHz DDR3 DRAM work with the board? C'mon, this should be on the bottom of the list. They have not even gotten 1600MHz to work properly, but they found it appropriate to release a BIOS update that adds support for DDR3 2000MHz? If that's called prioritizing then I know nothing about it...
3. Asus ignores the forum as is. No Asus engineering staff or tech support staff looks at their forums. That forum is run by the stellar moderators like Ulrich and Kensek (hats off to them), and is all based on the "user-help-user" principle. Asus has nothing to do with it. They only host it.
4. DRAM development will never settle down so this is a game of a cat chasing its own tail. DRAM manufacturers will keep pumping junk into the market for as long as they can rebadge their kits. Asus will never catch up with this "compatibility".
5. I do not believe in their ability to appropriately judge the importance of looking into this issue, especially after having contact with them about this some weeks ago (even their moderator from the forum contacted them) and receiving a very uneducated response to turn off CPU TM function.
6. They can always come up with an excuse to justify not fixing things and not introducing new features. That's a given. You just kind of hope that they do not.

To summarize, the more users complain about this and request this feature, the more likely they are to add it. That's the bottom line.

[nordien]

@ this moment i am priming with ht and turbo on. And now i have the TDP problem to.



The CPU is running @ 20 * 200 in stead of 21*200. The HT feature sure does add a lot of heath.

[SetteUltras]

Just wanted to confirm that problem also appears in my p6tdlx too. @1.45v priming is ok but linpack brings it up
As for the rest about Asus i totally agree with dejanh.

[tjelaw]

I did some more tests today... at 21x200, and it didn't throttle back anyone, at least not on the same voltages/speeds as where it did before.
I'm not sure what setting caused this, try playing around with the C-State option.

[vavtnen]

As far as I can understand, doesn't the smackover board support turning off the tdp limit? The point is, that this is not a feature to limit overclocks, but rather to just keep the chip within operating limits at stock speeds. Asus, for some reason, decided that it will apply this policy on users that aren't Intel's focus. This isn't like a major update, I would imagine memory compatibility is about 10x as complicated to fix as a simple multiplier switch triggered by a tdp ceiling. I'm only going to be patient for so long, if Asus doesn't even acknowledge this issue, then I will exchange this board for a dfi or evga one before my 30 day return limit on newegg...

Newegg let u exchange the board?

Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

from newegg

[dejanh]

I did some more tests today... at 21x200, and it didn't throttle back anyone, at least not on the same voltages/speeds as where it did before.
I'm not sure what setting caused this, try playing around with the C-State option.

For me it depends on temps. I do not throttle turbo off until the temps hit 85C - 87C. Once they do, turbo goes off.

Remember, TDP limit is engaged based on the current, load, number of cores, and temperatures or a combination thereof. I'm almost 100% sure R2E is doing it at least based on current, load, and temps all together.

[cky2k6]

Newegg let u exchange the board?

from newegg

I didn't ask yet, but its newegg, I'm not returning it for a refund, I want to exchange it for another board. They're very lenient with this stuff.

[btdvox]

Guys, don't bug them. I just posted about that above. If you pester them they will Ignore it. They are working on platform compatibility issues right now. They will be doing that until the RAM development settles. Give them a break. If this is something worth looking into they will.

If that thread keeps getting bumped and rebumped, they might delete it. Let's all work with them, not against them OK? This would be a neat feature, but we won't get it if we're not polite.

Remember, they could just decide to say "You don't have an Extreme Edition CPU, and that's why you're having this issue." Eventhough I do have an Extreme Edition CPU, I'll get on there and help you guys. I'm trying to figure out why I cannot get to the forum. All I get with these links are page not found errors. I can't figure out what's causing it.

So this doesnt happen on the EE CPU? And also how do you find out the VID of your CPU?

[dejanh]

I think no and from Intel datasheets on Core i7. You can find them on their site.

[T_Flight]

So this doesnt happen on the EE CPU? And also how do you find out the VID of your CPU?

You can set whatever multi you want on an Extreme CPU.