AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Calmatory]

@Calmatory

The costs of production at intel may be cheaper, but the yealds at AMDs fabs are very very good.

As I've understood, Intel has the best manufacturing fabs worldwide. Right now I have no time to dig for articles/other material but if someone has some regarding AMD/Intel fabs then please share.

For other post: L1 cache sizes should not have big influence on performance really, if they did, they would be bigger than what they are currently.

you know for a few days we had no trolls in here at all and it was pretty nice. i understand that some people are intel fanboys and some people think deneb sucks. but what do you gain by coming in here and saying it sucks? and the funny thing is that the people saying it can never produce a legit argument.

I understand your point. However, IMO even though this is AMD section and Deneb thread, it shouldn't mean that pointing out (in proper and mature way) the facts regarding results shouldn't be frowned upon in any way - even if they show that Deneb would be thrashed by early P3's or something similar.

[roofsniper]

i just can't understand how people can judge a product even before it has been released or formal benchmarks have been released. and the problem is most intel fanboys pick the thing intel is better at and just rave about it. you don't see me going into the intel section says i7 sucks because it uses too much power or that it costs too much. here is a perfect example of what i am talking about.

The lower res bench is harder on the cpu, and the Q6600 does better than the higher clocked PII in that bench? ouch!

as i recall the phenom owned intel in memory latency benchmarks but i don't think that mattered. if people would look at the things that mattered like how it actually performs in things that you do then you can talk about it.

things that i think that matter:

game performance(for people who play games)
power usage
price
platform
overclockability

we see the phenom getting trashed by people just because it gets owned in certain benchmarks that don't matter. then if you look at the overall game performance the results are very similar. and any results with fps over 150 don't even matter. im talking about stuff that matters. the phenom II holds its own in games and is very close to the performance of i7 for a way cheaper price and lower temps. plus we see the performance of the phenom II being compared to the performance of i7 when both are at stock. this is xs and most people overclock here. just because the cpu doesn't perform well at stock doesn't mean you should pass it up. it the thing overclocks like a dream then it could come out as a performance leader. all of these things i said will come into play after it actually gets released. i highly doubt seeing someone walking into a computer store and picking up a i7 over a phenom II just for the fact that he saw that the i7 beat the phenom II in some pi benchmark. but thats the way people are acting now. it will be nice one it is released and there is nothing to troll about anymore because everything that is ignored before it is released will actually matter when the time comes.

[Blaber]

I think we need more complete reviews that what we saw at Greek website.

Moreover as Roofsniper said the real deal is overclocking PII , no ones gona run it @stock.Thats when the fun begins.

@Zucker2k stop trolling and stop posting if u can't post anything usefull.

[demonkevy666]

I think we need more complete reviews that what we saw at Greek website.

Moreover as Roofsniper said the real deal is overclocking PII , no ones gona run it @stock.Thats when the fun begins.

@Zucker2k stop trolling and stop posting if u can't post anything usefull.

I though this XS running your system to the extreme, not trashing every produced that fall by 1% behind the competitor.

[Blaber]

I though this XS running your system to the extreme, not trashing every produced that fall by 1% behind the competitor.

Hey Demon I didn't get your point.Thrashing , when and where I did that.Lol pls check my sig.I and thrash Phenom II impossible.

[Throwed]

All current and future comments that are off topic will be notified to the mods. I suggest all other people that don't want to here this crap do the same. This way we can put an end to all of this Intel nonsense. This will also help clean up disruptive users via BAN.



@Calmatory......Wanna place to discuss Intel or comparisons? GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD ELSEWHERE!

[Calmatory]

@Calmatory......Wanna place to discuss Intel or comparisons? GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD ELSEWHERE!

Like where?

[roofsniper]

Like where?

the amd or intel section after deneb has been released. im cool with comparisons against intel cpus but first the cpus being compared need to be released. i just hope nothing embarrassing happens when it is released. something like a tlb bug or some performance bug that would tarnish its reputation even if it got fixed with a bios update down the line.

[mongoled]

Like where?

Here

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212186

Post to your hearts content, goes for everybody else who wants to post comparitive benchmarks.

In the 'General Hardware' section

Lets see who post just to get attention and who posts because they actually want to have a discussion...............

[ryba]

Something about coldbug with Phenom II 940 on cascade ->

HTT 270 bootable
HTT 280 easly to bench
NB and HT freq. 2250MHz - easly to bench

Evap temp ~-115*C, for me it's good score