Quote Originally Posted by Calmatory View Post
ATI vs. Nvidia is purely up to the microarchitecture design because both companies have the same chip manufacturer(TSMC). AMD vs. Intel is up to the microarchotecture design, manufacturing process and manufacturing volume. Remember the K8 vs. P4, the reason why AMD dominated was the fact that Intel failed with their microarchitecture while AMD succeeded very well with theirs. Soon after Intel got theirs very right(C2D was huge success like K8), AMD got their ass kicked.

CPU produced at Intel's fab will cost less than the same CPU produced at AMD's fab for at least two reasons; Intel can pack transistors more tightly resulting in smaller die and Intel has better yields. More working dies per wafer. This means that the only way AMD can keep Intel behind is Intel struggling with their designs and fabs, which is not likely due to their superb expertise and knowledge. Both companies have extremely talented designers and engineers working for them, but Intel has better fabs, so they can sell for cheaper, and sell way more.

Well, this is off topic, but where is the thread to discuss this anyway?
the reason why i was referencing towards the 4870 was because the 8800gt owned the 3870 but ati turned around and whipped out the 4870. what if amd comes around and whips out something amazing?
Quote Originally Posted by Oliverda View Post


yep that image says a lot for people who think amd is taking 2009 and 2010 off. and i see November 13th 2008 on there too so its up to date.
Basically AMD has two advantages regarding current leakage, SOI and IL, while Intel has HKMG.
looks like amd has soi and hkmg.