Phenom X4 II 940 in my hand ...

[roofsniper]

The reason why I am so curious about the pins is because when our friend chew here went to one of the preview events someone there told him or at least he understood that the am2+ denebs will work on AM3 motherboards. So to be completely sure if this is true or not we need to know how many pins this chip has.

well am3 has 938 pins and thats not even the problem. the problem is that am3 motherboards are ddr3 motherboards and am2+ denebs can't run ddr3.

[chew*]

says who? current am2+ can't run ddr 3, but i wasn't told am2+ is compatible with AM3, I was told phenom II am2+ was....atm there arent any ddr 3 mobos floating around to prove/disprove this so anyone stating anything is based on assumption, My statement was right from the horses mouth.

Horses mouth versus assumption

Once again who is to say its not a blanket statement. Its possible am3 boards support 940 pins and ddr2/3, whether or not the manufacturers implement it is the question. We wont know for at least 3 months or so anyway....

[Morgoth Bauglir]

well am3 has 938 pins and thats not even the problem. the problem is that am3 motherboards are ddr3 motherboards and am2+ denebs can't run ddr3.

IIRC from a prior chat with AMD, the idea is this: AM3 Denebs should go into AM2/AM2+ motherboards, it's the other way around that won't work (DDR2 Phenoms/Denebs going into DDR3 motherboards).

[Titan7171]

The op is the worst yet, reminds me of that other site that did the tests........what was that line?......they sent them the results because "they like our style"

really get lost......

[roofsniper]

IIRC from a prior chat with AMD, the idea is this: AM3 Denebs should go into AM2/AM2+ motherboards, it's the other way around that won't work (DDR2 Phenoms/Denebs going into DDR3 motherboards).

exactly.
@chew then what is the point of am3 if they can both run ddr3? to my knowledge the only difference between the am3 denebs and the am2+ ones is ddr3 capability. i have heard many times before that am2+ can't run ddr3 and you would think that we would know by now.

[Zucker2k]

IIRC from a prior chat with AMD, the idea is this: AM3 Denebs should go into AM2/AM2+ motherboards, it's the other way around that won't work (DDR2 Phenoms/Denebs going into DDR3 motherboards).

Makes sense, backwards compatibility is always easier to implement.

@Chew, what difference does it make then, if manufacturers don't mplement it?

[Adonay]

@lo squartatore
please stop spamming m8 i have seen you 48 font in every amd phII thread here ...

@All other

I am a little comfused about the socket thing my self as i bought a mobo\cpu for my little brother for this christmas, the ASUS page said AM3 ready what does that mean "can it just by filware upgrade run ddr 3 with a newer PII ?
Anyways as for benchmarks i am only interested in how good it is in games i am no bencher an Pi is something i normally do in the toilet :-)

[charged3800z24]

here is as I know it....

[Daveburt714]

As far as AM2+ having an integrated DDR3 mem controller it appears to have both just like the AM3 variant.

The new tenth-generation microprocessors from AMD promise to increase performance because of micro-architectural improvements and the increased amount of processing engines. However, it appears that the new chips do hide some additional capabilities under the hood. For example, DDR3 support.

Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...912232207.html

I knew I had read this somewhere months ago, but you guys spured me to go look for it.

In short Phenom 1's (AM2+) do indeed have dual memory contollers supporting both DDR2 & DDR3 just like the AM3 versions. Now the question is Will Mobo manufacuters support it for AM2+ and does the controller actually work on all AM2+ chips (probably wasn't tested or required to pass for a PH1).

[roofsniper]

@lo squartatore
please stop spamming m8 i have seen you 48 font in every amd phII thread here ...

@All other

I am a little comfused about the socket thing my self as i bought a mobo\cpu for my little brother for this christmas, the ASUS page said AM3 ready what does that mean "can it just by filware upgrade run ddr 3 with a newer PII ?
Anyways as for benchmarks i am only interested in how good it is in games i am no bencher an Pi is something i normally do in the toilet :-)

when it means am3 ready it means that you can run an am3 cpu in there. and because am3 cpus have both a ddr2 and ddr3 controller it can run in both boards. but am2+ boards don't support ddr3 so even if you are running an am3 cpu there is no way to use ddr3 on it with an am3 cpu. if you want ddr3 you will need an am3 board that is build for ddr3.

here is as I know it....

lol how many times have you posted that?

[roofsniper]

As far as AM2+ having an integrated DDR3 mem controller it appears to have both just like the AM3 variant.



Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...912232207.html

I knew I had read this somewhere months ago, but you guys spured me to go look for it.

In short Phenom 1's (AM2+) do indeed have dual memory contollers supporting both DDR2 & DDR3 just like the AM3 versions. Now the question is Will Mobo manufacuters support it for AM2+ and does the controller actually work on all AM2+ chips (probably wasn't tested or required to pass for a PH1).

that source is from 2007 and is referencing that k10 cpus will support ddr3 but it doesn't say which ones. i don't see why amd would release an am2+ chip and an am3 chip if both support ddr3.

[demonkevy666]

There Guy over @OC.net got one PhenomII 940 on a SB600, about 1.5 hrs away from me

excellent score in 64 bit.

[daseto]

roofsniper, if you believe that shat that is posted on wikipedia, you sir are a ing moron. Any idiot can change on wikipedia, and for the most part the info on those pages will have false information. There are way to damn many intel fan boys that would easily post false crap just to cause problems.

If you dont know keep your mouth shut. Speculating is one thing, but to argue over who's speculation is right or not is just plain stupid. That type of behavior is for the intel forums, not AMD forums. So my advice, stfu and move on.

[flippin_waffles]

wow

[roofsniper]

roofsniper, if you believe that shat that is posted on wikipedia, you sir are a ing moron. Any idiot can change on wikipedia, and for the most part the info on those pages will have false information. There are way to damn many intel fan boys that would easily post false crap just to cause problems.

If you dont know keep your mouth shut. Speculating is one thing, but to argue over who's speculation is right or not is just plain stupid. That type of behavior is for the intel forums, not AMD forums. So my advice, stfu and move on.

sigh im using wikipedia because it is an easy source. and i think its pretty obvious that you can change stuff around when it says edit everywhere. plus wikipedia watches their articles so you can't change stuff around without proof. believe me i have tried it before. i really don't know what i am posting that is so controversial? its all common knowledge but it saves but to get an article there than to google it. if you want me to waste my time then fine tell me what you think i am saying that is wrong and i will find something for you. and considering i have never made a post in the intel forums i have no idea what you are talking about.
edit: type am3 938 pins into google if you want to find some info since there is only about 1,850 articles about it. plus if you want me to show you that am3 has 938 pins then ill go and get an am3 cpu and take a picture of the pins.

[donitsi]

http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=4302

You may want to tell what's behind links (few words) So people know if it's interesting or not

yadda yadda

that was a bit rude

@HondaGuy pretty decent clocks on a SB600 So We have hope then...

[Caveman787]

I too, don't see what roofsniper did to offend you. He seem's to be a fairly well informed forum goer and I've found him in alot of the threads I read/participate in and I don't think I've ever noticed him say anything wrong.

[Adonay]

Thank you guys for clearifying that for me "am2+ vs am3 mobo" looks like i will wait for the am3 mobo then i think the Ph2 will be great with ddr 3 :-)

[charged3800z24]

lol how many times have you posted that?

people keep asking and that is as clear is it gets LOL....

[roofsniper]

people keep asking and that is as clear is it gets LOL....

yea just pretty funny.

guys heres a picture of what an am3 chip will look like. im hoping that this will be a good enough source since my past ones obviously don't satisfy everyone. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1376703

[Daveburt714]

that source is from 2007 and is referencing that k10 cpus will support ddr3 but it doesn't say which ones. i don't see why amd would release an am2+ chip and an am3 chip if both support ddr3.

I have no idea why AMD would resocket the AM3's. But the link I supplied even has hyperlinks to AMD's White Papers on K10, and it references DDR3 thoughout the whole document.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31116.pdf

Like I said, who knows if it was tested or if boards will ever support DDR3 with AM2+ chips, but the extra controller was oviously included on the K10.

Unless ofcourse AMD doesn't know how their chips were built...

[roofsniper]

I have no idea why AMD would resocket the AM3's. But the link I supplied even has hyperlinks to AMD's White Papers on K10, and it references DDR3 thoughout the whole document.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31116.pdf

Like I said, who knows if it was tested or if boards will ever support DDR3 with AM2+ chips, but the extra controller was oviously included on the K10.

Unless ofcourse AMD doesn't know how their chips were built...

both am3 chips and am2+ chips are both k10s. my guess is that the socket am3 was built because ddr3 and ddr2 can't both be run on the same board in the same ram slots. im guessing they took out the extra two pins so an am2+ cpu couldn't fit in there which would cause a lot of problems.

[G0ldBr1ck]

It would only make sence that AM2+ Ph2 is actualy the same CPU as AM3 Ph2. It is very cost efective that way and most likely was done because they needed to get deneb out but the DDR3 boards were not ready soon enuff. It is very probable that you can drop a AM2+ 940 in a AM3 board with DDR3. Then AMD will use higher NB and HT speeds on the AM3 CPU's to provide higher performance over AM2+ CPU's.

[charged3800z24]

both am3 chips and am2+ chips are both k10s. my guess is that the socket am3 was built because ddr3 and ddr2 can't both be run on the same board in the same ram slots. im guessing they took out the extra two pins so an am2+ cpu couldn't fit in there which would cause a lot of problems.

yeah, same reason they went from 939 to AM2..because of DDR and DDR2. This time it is a better transition. Since you can still use the AM3 CPUs in the AM2+ boards.

[roofsniper]

It would only make sence that AM2+ Ph2 is actualy the same CPU as AM3 Ph2. It is very cost efective that way and most likely was done because they needed to get deneb out but the DDR3 boards were not ready soon enuff. It is very probable that you can drop a AM2+ 940 in a AM3 board with DDR3. Then AMD will use higher NB and HT speeds on the AM3 CPU's to provide higher performance over AM2+ CPU's.

it was my understanding that nb speed would be the same on am2+ boards as it would be on am3 boards since they will both be using the same chipset. if am2+ denebs support ddr3 is there a difference between am2+ and am3? i guess it could be possible but i don't know why they would do it.