AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[knopflerbruce]

2 cores only ?

useless !!!!

Intel users have done that a loooooong time already, to max out their chips. I don't see why it's useless when the whole Intel-batallion does the same It tells something about the potential of these chips. At least that's what it tells me.

[Morais]

2 cores only ?

useless !!!!

Try to do it then

and Welcome amdcian!

[AbelJemka]

2 cores only ?

useless !!!!

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For you Mister Fake!

[annton]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=465848
For you Mister Fake!

Is HT at around 1000MHz a must for Phenom II overclock?

[Morais]

Not really...
Take a look here...

[Oliverda]

2 cores only ?

useless !!!!

Your posts are more useless.

[Hornet331]

oliverda what do you want ?
do you want dream ? or look the realilty face ?


What is the utility of a cpu-Z validation with quad core but only 2 core enable ?
Do you like 2 cores ? BUY a dual core ! and don't break the testes !


in Quad core processor i LOOK the overclock with all cores enable !!!!!!!
ENABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or look directly a dual core 7750 BE overclock.

you clearly have no clue what or how overclocking works and whats legit and whats not.

Running one core on a quadcore is fine for getting max frequency or running SPI or any other singel threaded benchmark to get the best score.

Striving for records is a whole other ballpark then trying to get a 24/7 stable config.

[The PyroPath]

I lose about 2 IQ points everytime I read a post from that guy, soon I'll be lobotomised by only reading forum posts....

[leoy]

Oktabit team did the 6120 with two core, 6020 with all 4 cores. Currently they hold the two top records in amd validated offcourse.

[donitsi]

Oktabit team did the 6120 with two core, 6020 with all 4 cores. Currently they hold the two top records in amd validated offcourse.

Pretty awesome, only 100mhz decrease goign from 2 cores to 4 cores

[Oliverda]

oliverda what do you want ?
do you want dream ? or look the realilty face ?


What is the utility of a cpu-Z validation with quad core but only 2 core enable ?
Do you like 2 cores ? BUY a dual core ! and don't break the testes !


in Quad core processor i LOOK the overclock with all cores enable !!!!!!!
ENABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or look directly a dual core 7750 BE overclock.

What do I want? I want you to take some english lessons and stop the stupid posts in this forum.

[justapost]

^^ What Macadamia said.

BTW check justapost's results at the same clocks/settings and in the same apps here:
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/sh...&postcount=131 (thanks justapost )

NP, problem is coolice ran many benchmarks on windows 7. I can not get that here atm. Maybe that's why wprime results are so low. We've already seen em beeing ~7% faster.
I get 12.5s under winxp 32bit and 12.9s undr vista 64bit, never compared winxp 32bit with vista 32bit. Can be the results are even lower on the 32bit version.
Most valuable new piece of information is the high nb speed coolice reached benchable.

I'd prefer previewers would focus more on pI vs. pII comparison and leave overclocking to the users.

[knopflerbruce]

oliverda what do you want ?
do you want dream ? or look the realilty face ?


What is the utility of a cpu-Z validation with quad core but only 2 core enable ?
Do you like 2 cores ? BUY a dual core ! and don't break the testes !


in Quad core processor i LOOK the overclock with all cores enable !!!!!!!
ENABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or look directly a dual core 7750 BE overclock.

Well, you may look after validations with 4 cores enabled, but it seems a you're the only one

It's not THAT much of a difference between 1,2 and 4 cores anyway... (I'm talking about max frequency here).

And no, it's not "wrong" to disable and validate. That's how we do it. In fact, NOT doing it would be noobish (if you're going for the highest possible clock, of course) - as you may earn a little bit on it.

[Zucker2k]

How hard is it for peeps to stay on topic????

Its quite clear what is happening, AMD peeps are trying to keep on topic, then someone posts info regarding Intel CPU v the Phenom II CPU's and the AMD peeps have to counter.

Now.......the peeps posting the Intel info are consistant, one of them has already been banned, I will be contacting Ashraf directly if the other peeps (you know who you are, the usual suspects) continue in trying to derig this thread.

There are other threads making comparissons between PII and Intel CPU's

GO AND POST ON THOSE

Leave this thread to be as title says

'AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread'

PI vs PII comparissons very welcome as they are both AMD and relevant

PI vs PII vs Intel counterparts

Unwelcome........

-- ON TOPIC --

Peeps posting info regarding PI vs PII, try to post comparissons using similar OS's, been many people posting 32bit vs 64bit scores and not initially realising this. In this way a more realistic picture can be gained of what to expect.

Also, this is Xtreme Systems, we are ofcourse happy to see default clocks vs default clocks. But its not like we are going to be running our CPU's at default clocks, LOL

I am very interested in scaling of NB clocks as are many with CPU speeds, this will be the rabbit in AMD tweakers hats to getting better scores. Hopefully the info regarding PII reviews will increase.....

Final words

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

Well, you did a very good job of staying on topic yourself Yes this is the Deneb review thread, problem is reviews are not here yet and we're on 30 pages

About PH1 vs PH2: PH1 is not going to be PHII's main competitor, the competitors are on the other side. We all know when the reviews start streaming in, it's going to be 45nm vs 45nm. This is always the way it is. This is what makes sense! PHII is going to be tested against the competition. It is going to be reviewed, it has to be tested against something? For example, ALL the Shanghai reviews on the first page, pit it against products from Intel. Even the previews of Deneb do the same except for a couple. So it is inevitable, we'll see it. If you prefer to discuss exclusively Deneb without pitting against other processors, create your own thread because you're in the wrong thread. It's obvious that the OP (Original Poster) had a different idea from all those links on the first page, you can look it up if you're in doubt.

Now, On Topic: It seems there isn't much that'll be accepted by either side until we start seeing the hard facts. Maybe this thread needs to be closed till reviews start streaking in, otherwise we're on topic by discussing Deneb (as per the OP's post) against the competition. Some choose to see it as Intel vs AMD, I choose to see it as the reality.

Sorry for going off topic, but with the way things have gone so far, someone needed to remind everybody what this thread is truly about. Thanks.
Maybe let's all wait till the reviews start coming in and then we can start talking about what chips are included in the review?

[TL1000S]

NP, problem is coolice ran many benchmarks on windows 7. I can not get that here atm. Maybe that's why wprime results are so low. We've already seen em beeing ~7% faster.
I get 12.5s under winxp 32bit and 12.9s undr vista 64bit, never compared winxp 32bit with vista 32bit. Can be the results are even lower on the 32bit version.
Most valuable new piece of information is the high nb speed coolice reached benchable.

I'd prefer previewers would focus more on pI vs. pII comparison and leave overclocking to the users.

Yes, I agree.
(Not the last part though).
I thought the sreenies from coolice showed XP as OS, but it could have been 64-bits.
CPU score i 3DM06 varies too much to be used as reference for performance I see (I only use XP 32-bits for my use/benches).
So I am a little bit more optimistic for the "real" reviews (after NDA).

[justapost]

I thought the sreenies from coolice showed XP as OS, but it could have been 64-bits.
CPU score i 3DM06 varies too much to be used as reference for performance I see (I only use XP 32-bits for my use/benches).
So I am a little bit more optimistic for the "real" reviews (after NDA).

I asked him and he said he had used windows 7 and vista. First impression was winxp 32bit (because CB10 ran as 32bit version).
He said he had to use vista to access the full 4GB so windows 7 must have been 32bit.

[TL1000S]

I asked him and he said he had used windows 7 and vista. First impression was winxp 32bit (because CB10 ran as 32bit version).
He said he had to use vista to access the full 4GB so windows 7 must have been 32bit.

Thanks.
Then I am confident in Phenom II.
It will kick ass.

[coolice]

I asked him and he said he had used windows 7 and vista. First impression was winxp 32bit (because CB10 ran as 32bit version).
He said he had to use vista to access the full 4GB so windows 7 must have been 32bit.

bro..u misunderstand me
the reason i swap to vista because i cant install overdrive in windows 7 ultimate
i can bench at 4ghz but not booting into windows, so wat i did is boot at 3.9ghz and push little more with AOD
all OS are 32bits

Edited:
and yeah,mem are not optimized

[AbelJemka]

So your screenshot with XP GUI is Windows 7?

[coolice]

So your screenshot with XP GUI is Windows 7?

nop
windows 7 for pcmark and 3dmark vantage
the rest was under winxp

[justapost]

nop
windows 7 for pcmark and 3dmark vantage
the rest was under winxp

Ups, so i missunderstood you yesterday. Thanks for clarifying.

[roofsniper]

How hard is it for peeps to stay on topic????

*snip*

i have already said this myself a few times but its not gonna happen. even if you remove the few that are starting all this more will come and amd users will most likely post info about it as well. all you can do is just not respond to the info being posted.

Well, you did a very good job of staying on topic yourself Yes this is the Deneb review thread, problem is reviews are not here yet and we're on 30 pages

About PH1 vs PH2: PH1 is not going to be PHII's main competitor, the competitors are on the other side. We all know when the reviews start streaming in, it's going to be 45nm vs 45nm. This is always the way it is. This is what makes sense! PHII is going to be tested against the competition. It is going to be reviewed, it has to be tested against something? For example, ALL the Shanghai reviews on the first page, pit it against products from Intel. Even the previews of Deneb do the same except for a couple. So it is inevitable, we'll see it. If you prefer to discuss exclusively Deneb without pitting against other processors, create your own thread because you're in the wrong thread. It's obvious that the OP (Original Poster) had a different idea from all those links on the first page, you can look it up if you're in doubt.

Now, On Topic: It seems there isn't much that'll be accepted by either side until we start seeing the hard facts. Maybe this thread needs to be closed till reviews start streaking in, otherwise we're on topic by discussing Deneb (as per the OP's post) against the competition. Some choose to see it as Intel vs AMD, I choose to see it as the reality.

Sorry for going off topic, but with the way things have gone so far, someone needed to remind everybody what this thread is truly about. Thanks.
Maybe let's all wait till the reviews start coming in and then we can start talking about what chips are included in the review?

yes i know that it is pointless to compare phenom I against phenom II but its the only thing you can do without starting a fight. it doesn't mean much comparing the two but it will show us what can be done that couldn't be done before. and since there are no official benchmarks out yet and it hasn't even been released you can't compare it against the intel cpus it will be competing against. why? because it will start fights that can't be ended cause there is no definite proof. as much as i think phenom II will be successful i can't prove it yet and no one else can disprove it.

@ lo squartatore sigh you are acting pretty immature right now when people are just trying to point out obvious facts. i think it would be in the best interests of you and others to just stop posting in the amd forum unless you can actually say something meaningful. and you keep disproving all information people are posting. saying that its fake, or not possible when you yourself can't prove that in anyway. plus your sig is just halirious. do you know what a quote is? a quote is when you repeat something that someone else said. when was the last time people here talked in italian so you can quote them?

[imsochobo]

you can use overdrive in win7!

Its easy. Grab it from another install!
(not to be rude or anything, havnt you done enough transitions to beta os's to know you have to do this alot ?. )

My od in win7!

[Jazzman]

Is the ability of Phenom II to oc NB beyond 2600mhz the difference maker in games when compared to other processors? Is this why the Dragon platform solution has the "potential" to best any other combo?

Or did my wife slip something in my coffee this morning?

[QuietIce]

Is the ability of Phenom II to oc NB beyond 2600mhz the difference maker in games when compared to other processors? Is this why the Dragon platform solution has the "potential" to best any other combo?

Or did my wife slip something in my coffee this morning?

NB > 2600 is rare but certainly possible even with a Phenom I and the right tweaks. The HT Link has more influence over CPU video processing than the NB by itself but the NB does determine the total possible I/O of the CPU.

I didn't really get the rest of the question - I guess I'm dense today ...