AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Throwed]

Beaten as in CPU-Z record. E.g. "Wow heres the screenie! And heres the C2Q record! Look phenom beats best C2Q!!". What I mean is that Phenom has not beaten anything yet as the screenshot was/is obviously fake.

Record? You're a funny guy. First of all, that screen shot means a hill of beans TBH. I and a few others here don't really trust things like that. Though most of us do trust the words of people like "Team Finland"(Sampsa and crew) and they reached 6.3Ghz so your point is moot! IIRC they even ran the Crysis demo at 6Ghz on a Deneb. Not sure if Intel has accomplished this milestone, but since you seem to favor Intel why don't you link us to something similar. Better yet, DON'T because this thread is NOT about Intel. Go start your own rant in the Intel section. FYI, the videos from the Chicago, Boston, and etc. AREN'T fake.


I'll never understand why people that favor Intel come to a thread in the AMD section to voice their opinions that NO ONE wants to hear. Talking loud and saying nothing sums their actions up.

[Trunks]

Does anyone know the 4 cores enabled record on Core 2 Quad? Because nobody has mentioned that the record on the other page was with a single core enabled and not all 4. Just a thought on it.

I think this one

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=372113

[Furiøùs]

Who cant raise the multiplier to 15, and put INSANE amounts of voltage on a chip under L-N.

*rolls eyes* why does everyone have to bring in Intel. Im going full AMD / ATI next round. Getting a Phenom II, best mobo on the block, good ram, new PSU, and ATI's next video-cards.

[Calmatory]

Record? You're a funny guy. First of all, that screen shot means a hill of beans TBH. I and a few others here don't really trust things like that. Though most of us do trust the words of people like "Team Finland"(Sampsa and crew) and they reached 6.3Ghz so your point is moot! IIRC they even ran the Crysis demo at 6Ghz on a Deneb. Not sure if Intel has accomplished this milestone, but since you seem to favor Intel why don't you link us to something similar. Better yet, DON'T because this thread is NOT about Intel. Go start your own rant in the Intel section. FYI, the videos from the Chicago, Boston, and etc. AREN'T fake.


I'll never understand why people that favor Intel come to a thread in the AMD section to voice their opinions that NO ONE wants to hear. Talking loud and saying nothing sums their actions up.

Who the *** has been talking about the LN2 runs in the events except you? Why are you trying to put words into my mouth?

One valuable tip: Learn to read.

Look at this: http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/...4B0vamd7VO.jpg

Then look at this: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=612

Now, read this:

No.

CPU-Z validator which generates the static image has only rated FSB, however the actual CPU-Z client has HT Link for AMD AM2 processors. That Chiphell screenshot shows the CPU-Z client, which shows Rated FSB instead of HT Link - what it should show.

That could mean that the pic was taken with Intel CPU and then just shopped it as a Deneb CPU-Z screenie. Most certainly a fake, considering that vCore is lower than 1.9 V
and Sampsa & others claim/were told that 1.95 V is needed for 6 GHz.

All I've been saying is that the Chiphell pic is FAKE and AMD has not beaten Intel QuadCore MHz record. I think that it really hurts your feelings? Besides, even if PhII beats the MHz, the actual IPC advantage still makes Intel clear winner. Sad but true.

Ok, if you consider me Intel fanboy as I bust your dreams and beliefs and am running Intel platform then fine, but don't be disappointed when you wake to the reality and see Intel spanking AMD once again. Phenom II is no godsend.

[crazydiamond]

Besides, even if PhII beats the MHz, the actual IPC advantage still makes Intel clear winner. Sad but true.

Ok, if you consider me Intel fanboy as I bust your dreams and beliefs and am running Intel platform then fine, but don't be disappointed when you wake to the reality and see Intel spanking AMD once again. Phenom II is no godsend.

idk but i gotta like the $275 part over the $1000 part (as i am not rich)... unless of course the $1000 part is 300% better than the $275 part, then it might be worth it.

[Calmatory]

idk but i gotta like the $275 part over the $1000 part (as i am not rich)... unless of course the $1000 part is 300% better than the $275 part, then it might be worth it.

Sure the price is nice. Then again Intel has similarly performing Quads around the same price, e.g. Q9450 and Q9550. Performance-wise Intel still has i7 spanking everything AMD has and everything AMD will have until Bulldozer. PhII is nice improvement over Phenom but it is no Intel beater by any degree, as some here have been wishing.

(sorry if my post did hurt someones feelings, but busting the bubbles has never been this fun. I finally understand Shintai.).

[crazydiamond]

4.4 ghz is max validated q9450 and 4.8 is max for q9550??? similar but not really

thats like sayin 9850's and 9950's (4.1ghz max for both i think) are similar to q9450's and q9550's lol and they are only $175 & $190!

[Zucker2k]

4.4 ghz is max validated q9450 and 4.8 is max for q9550??? similar but not really

thats like sayin 9850's and 9950's (4.1ghz max for both i think) are similar to q9450's and q9550's lol and they are only $175 & $190!

Do us a favor and compare to those to the Q6600.

[crazydiamond]

tell that to ur buddy who said a 4.4ghz max validation is similar to 6ghz+ crysis runs (with only 5-10 min. to tinker on each chip) LOL

[Calmatory]

4.4 ghz is max validated q9450 and 4.8 is max for q9550??? similar but not really

thats like sayin 9850's and 9950's (4.1ghz max for both i think) are similar to q9450's and q9550's lol and they are only $175 & $190!

Yeah right, people who do 6 GHz runs are on budget.

tell that to ur buddy who said a 4.4ghz max validation is similar to 6ghz+ crysis runs (with only 5-10 min. to tinker on each chip) LOL

Honestly, do you have pains reading that AMD still hasn't beaten Intel or what is this all fierce stuff about? I mean, what are you being bitter for?

Sure AMD goes past Intel when it comes to stuff like "Hey, I have $400 and I need CPU and Mobo and I want to do LN2 runs, which one delivers better performance?", there is no denying that PhII @ 6 GHz beats Intel counterparts of the same price range. Then again, people who do LN2 rarely are on such a strict budget. Besides, that only applies in applications where multi threading gives edge. Single threaded apps are being reigned by steady hand of Wolfdales, no AMD fanboy can deny this.

Love it when in other threads I am being called an AMD fanboy and in other threads I am being called an Intel fanboy. Just, great. Friends with everyone!

[gallag]

calmatory, Thats what others have been saying, Over the last few months if you are not 100% hardcore AMD cheerleader you are talked to like dirt and told to get out.

[Zucker2k]

calmatory, Thats what others have been saying, Over the last few months if you are not 100% hardcore AMD cheerleader you are talked to like dirt and told to get out.

It's an evolutionary phenomena; it's so anti-enthusiast. What on God's earth are they doing in here?

[roofsniper]

I think this one

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=372113

wonder if its stable. didn't think core 2s could oc to 6ghz.

[charged3800z24]

Sure the price is nice. Then again Intel has similarly performing Quads around the same price, e.g. Q9450 and Q9550. Performance-wise Intel still has i7 spanking everything AMD has and everything AMD will have until Bulldozer. PhII is nice improvement over Phenom but it is no Intel beater by any degree, as some here have been wishing.

(sorry if my post did hurt someones feelings, but busting the bubbles has never been this fun. I finally understand Shintai.).

Yes, they have parts in same price point, but I can't stick an Intel chip in my AM2+ M3A79-t motherboard. and most people over here have boards like these. In my book, it is going to be plenty fast and a heck of a lot more fun to tweak. And AMD has said this many times, they did no intend to steal the performance crown with these chips. So, I don't think they will. I am just glad they will be a nice choice for new system builders, who don't wnat to spend a fortune for a nice tweakable system.

[Calmatory]

wonder if its stable. didn't think core 2s could oc to 6ghz.

Might find this interesting.

Waiting for 45nm AMD Duaies with a tad more mature process.

[roofsniper]

Might find this interesting.

Waiting for 45nm AMD Duaies with a tad more mature process.

i should of said core 2 quads. lol i have been forgetting words lately. yea core 2 duos can do it. but for a quad its pretty amazing.

[charged3800z24]

wonder if its stable. didn't think core 2s could oc to 6ghz.

Might find this interesting.

Waiting for 45nm AMD Duaies with a tad more mature process.

I wanna see some benchable OCs so far we have seen and heard from trusted guys, that Phenom II has run 6ghz time demo of crysis, now before you say, Crysis, Bla, not even worthy, bla bla.. does anyone have a link to such proof of these high clocked Intel chips @ 6ghz+. I don't go visit the Intel side much so I have no idea what is tue or fake or etc.

[Zucker2k]

i should of said core 2 quads. lol i have been forgetting words lately. yea core 2 duos can do it. but for a quad its pretty amazing.

The numbers we're seeing from Deneb are amazing for the simple fact that it's a huge leap in frequency from the last gen offering. No doubt about that. If AMD can improve on this (like 7Ghz) overclocks, they can win a lot of enthusiasts back. But that is to assume that Intel won't improveon their current offerings either, which would be dumb. The fight as I see it, is going to be who can shrink their cores even more and how much they can put on a die; unfortunately Intel is ahead to the 32nm process. If AMD can stage in a coup by surprising Intel with speed and even ipc efficiency, then that'll be fun to watch. Hopefully, I'm wrong and AM3 Deneb is a 7Ghz monster chip, because that is what it's going to take to compete.

[Calmatory]

I wanna see some benchable OCs so far we have seen and heard from trusted guys, that Phenom II has run 6ghz time demo of crysis, now before you say, Crysis, Bla, not even worthy, bla bla.. does anyone have a link to such proof of these high clocked Intel chips @ 6ghz+. I don't go visit the Intel side much so I have no idea what is tue or fake or etc.

Why do you think that I'd say so?

If talking about benches.. Let's see this thing again once AMD is actually able to do something faster/with better score than Intel is able to.

[Zucker2k]

I wanna see some benchable OCs so far we have seen and heard from trusted guys, that Phenom II has run 6ghz time demo of crysis, now before you say, Crysis, Bla, not even worthy, bla bla.. does anyone have a link to such proof of these high clocked Intel chips @ 6ghz+. I don't go visit the Intel side much so I have no idea what is tue or fake or etc.

Best evidence of any capabilities is to go on the ORB, and other such benching database sites. I know Fugger did some demos last year, there should be videos. Nothing in the 6ghz range for quads mind you; but at the time, they were impressive and Fugger scored something like 4 world records in 4 minutes or so.

[roofsniper]

The numbers we're seeing from Deneb are amazing for the simple fact that it's a huge leap in frequency from the last gen offering. No doubt about that. If AMD can improve on this (like 7Ghz) overclocks, they can win a lot of enthusiasts back. But that is to assume that Intel won't improveon their current offerings either, which would be dumb. The fight as I see it, is going to be who can shrink their cores even more and how much they can put on a die; unfortunately Intel is ahead to the 32nm process. If AMD can stage in a coup by surprising Intel with speed and even ipc efficiency, then that'll be fun to watch. Hopefully, I'm wrong and AM3 Deneb is a 7Ghz monster chip, because that is what it's going to take to compete.

personally these 6ghz and 7ghz things don't really amaze me that much. why? because im not gonna be running them 24/7 on ln2 on a bench system pumping so many volts through the thing that it won't last a year. a 4ghz on air amazes me much more than 6.3ghz on ln2. as i have said before it appears the only way amd can take the perform crown from intel this time would be if they can manage high overclocks. and on air or liquid not on ln2 or dice. from the leaked and not legit performance results i have seen before i7 outperforms it on stock but we can't trust these numbers. now if phenom II can overclock better than i7 then it might turn heads. personally i don't see amd outperforming i7 with this chip but i see it getting close to even if you take OCs into consideration. but no matter how good phenom II is amd is still gonna be screwed since the demand for chips is so low at this point. it could blow i7 out of the water but i bet they would still be in the red.

[knopflerbruce]

Might find this interesting.

Waiting for 45nm AMD Duaies with a tad more mature process.

I don't see the need for a more mature process when we already have 6ghz++ Deneb on LN2. These chips are still new, I can't remember any K8 chips that had better ES's than retail chips. Who knows what kind of numbers we'll see when the good ones hit the shelves

[msimax]

im very happy with what amd is doing now. ppl complained it couldnt clock high enuff, now pll argue with a strait face that AMD and 6GHZ in the same sentence isnt a mile stone. but with this chip i see them catching up pretty quickly in the near future. im still debating my next system regardless of what is its, the point is to make sure you have fun with it your going to be alittle poorer afterwards


stop all the unwanted bickering that turns this forum to

[roofsniper]

ppl complained it couldnt clock high enuff, now pll argue with a strait face that AMD and 6GHZ in the same sentence isnt a mile stone.

its a milestone but it doesn't really mean anything. since most of the people buying it will never use ln2.

[Halk]

If one god in the x86 game goes bye bye the other god will hike up prices so up the arse and slow development that the next generation processors will come in the 29th century.

That's not such a bad thing.

Multi cores, more cache, faster clocks, etc etc just encourage Microsoft to bloat their OS and programmers to use lazy high level code that's horribly inefficient.

If we were all still using 486s imagine how efficient things would be!

(I don't really mean it ;P)