something SSD you didn't know about from OCZ

[Tony]

So its about 20MB/S faster reads than V2 for a similar price? Any price drops on the V2 when this comes out? I need two more V2s .

To the people who are looking to put this on software raid I would think twice:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=24

These types of drives are quite awesome in hardware raid with cache, but not too good on software.

The point you are missing is the small file write speeds on this Apex, its very fast. Now the controllers are not IO monsters but the raid controller does help. I have a feeling 2 or more of these on SB raid may be killer. i wish I had another here as i would have shown it for sure.

you guys need to get away from needing 5 gazzilion IO/s 4k random writes, you don't need that to have a good experience...Im trying to find just what you DO need to have stutter free untweaked and tweaked.
Going by what i feel this drive is performing like its not that many..maybe just 1 gazzilion...

[alfaunits]

Well, to put it in perspective, a Raptor can do I think around 100-150 random writes @64K, a 15K.5 SAS drive does ~300.
Given that any good SSD today will surpass both of these in reads (all sorts), the SSD should at least match the random writes of a Raptor.

That doesn't mean that less would not be flying speed for most users, but we aren't talking average Joe sixpack when it comes to buying SSDs, they are still expensive, and only a (fairly) minor part of users consider them over more space unless the speed is much better.

SteadyState as bonus speed is a nice thing to know, but it mustn't be required to get something working.
Also, while most people won't think of changing BIOS/RAID options, if it matters, you should put in the manual?
I'm not saying you didn't, I don't know... I just wonder?

you guys need to get away from needing 5 gazzilion IO/s 4k random writes, you don't need that to have a good experience...Im trying to find just what you DO need to have stutter free untweaked and tweaked.
Going by what i feel this drive is performing like its not that many..maybe just 1 gazzilion...

[Vargher Warg]

Hey Tony! where can I find this tweak guide of yours?

Thanks in advance!

[Tony]

Hey Tony! where can I find this tweak guide of yours?

Thanks in advance!

on the OCZ support forum in the flash section...sub section SSD

[Tony]

Well, to put it in perspective, a Raptor can do I think around 100-150 random writes @64K, a 15K.5 SAS drive does ~300.
Given that any good SSD today will surpass both of these in reads (all sorts), the SSD should at least match the random writes of a Raptor.

That doesn't mean that less would not be flying speed for most users, but we aren't talking average Joe sixpack when it comes to buying SSDs, they are still expensive, and only a (fairly) minor part of users consider them over more space unless the speed is much better.

SteadyState as bonus speed is a nice thing to know, but it mustn't be required to get something working.
Also, while most people won't think of changing BIOS/RAID options, if it matters, you should put in the manual?
I'm not saying you didn't, I don't know... I just wonder?

you seem to be a person who needs benchmarks to prove something is good or bad, I used to be like this, i even used to play superpi things change though.

Average hard drive seek is 11 to 13ms, add in other latency and you can ofter see 14ms in a bench. SSD even crappy JM602 ones seek in 0.2 to 0.3ms, so they have found the data and served it faster than a normal drive seeks, never mind serves.
keeping random writes in check on a system using a few tweaks is no bad thing, M$ are going to add similar tweaks to W7 soon, and the best part they are cheap..usually free. Now i agree some don't want to tweak, some don't know how to...Vertex is aimed directly at those people...and really is directed at you also.

I was honest im my original post, please guys don't compare Apex to Vertex, they are totally different and positioned totally different.

[alfaunits]

you seem to be a person who needs benchmarks to prove something is good or bad, I used to be like this, i even used to play superpi things change though.

Unlike SuperPI I know the IOMeter test actually does sum up the speed for me. These are 2 totally different tests.

Average hard drive seek is 11 to 13ms, add in other latency and you can ofter see 14ms in a bench. SSD even crappy JM602 ones seek in 0.2 to 0.3ms

That's right for reads - but not writes. If the drive does 100 IOPs, that makes the seek time = 10ms.


For the Apex vs. Vertex, I was only mentioning the prices of the two are about the same in Europe for the same capacity - so that makes no sale sense. Am I missing something?

[Tony]

Unlike SuperPI I know the IOMeter test actually does sum up the speed for me. These are 2 totally different tests.


That's right for reads - but not writes. If the drive does 100 IOPs, that makes the seek time = 10ms.


For the Apex vs. Vertex, I was only mentioning the prices of the two are about the same in Europe for the same capacity - so that makes no sale sense. Am I missing something?

That means resellers are price gouging..Apex should be cheaper

[DFI pit bull]

Thanks Tony for the heads up on the new drives, there are very few people as helpfull as you too. I think i'll buy one when they come out. The ocz ssd's are such great value, fcuk the other ssd makers, especialy intel with their rip off prices.

[One_Hertz]

The point you are missing is the small file write speeds on this Apex, its very fast. Now the controllers are not IO monsters but the raid controller does help. I have a feeling 2 or more of these on SB raid may be killer. i wish I had another here as i would have shown it for sure.

you guys need to get away from needing 5 gazzilion IO/s 4k random writes, you don't need that to have a good experience...Im trying to find just what you DO need to have stutter free untweaked and tweaked.
Going by what i feel this drive is performing like its not that many..maybe just 1 gazzilion...

Most of what I was talking about are the real world benchies, not necessarily IOPS. If you clicked on my link you would see that simple copy/paste tests get 3-4x faster on hardware raid versus software raid when using your SSDs. It doesn't get any more relevant than that, hence I said your SSDs perform horribly on software raid and well on hardware + cache.

Edit: don't get me wrong, I think V2s are a great product, it just has to be set up correctly. Hey Tony, if you can tell me, are V2s going to drop in price anytime soon as they are being phased out? I seriously want two more.