New Members Welcome & Advice Thread

[MikeB12]

Xroger,
that log is a single core client log. you probably need smp client on that phenom... have to use the smp flag.... delete your clients and setup smp...
the guides are linked next to the dl at fah http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther (smp is at the bottom).

Nemon,
all you need to do to join xs folding is start folding and use team# 36362 during your config when you run the client for the first time.
Vista 64 bit, going from the hardware in your sig...
run the nvidia gpu systray client http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther
and since you're on a intel quad, run dual smp with AC.. here's a quickie walkthru http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199283

xroger, you can use that walkthru for smp too, but I'm not sure if AC or dual smp applies to a phenom... but you can still use the walkthru for a qucker way than fah's long guide method. just skip AC and only do one client.


welcome to the team guys...

[XRogerX]

Xroger,
that log is a single core client log. you probably need smp client on that phenom... have to use the smp flag.... delete your clients and setup smp...
the guides are linked next to the dl at fah http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther (smp is at the bottom).

xroger, you can use that walkthru for smp too, but I'm not sure if AC or dual smp applies to a phenom... but you can still use the walkthru for a qucker way than fah's long guide method. just skip AC and only do one client.


welcome to the team guys...

well i guess my system does like it , im sry guys i cant do it cause everytime i look to see how far i have gotten it starts over , talking about being depressed ,i cant help and that upsetting

[OldChap]

Most of us use Fahmon to see how the folding is doing http://fahmon.net/ Maybe if you do too then you can keep going although I've not had your problem so can't really help as to why you have this issue

[coo-coo-clocker]

I would think that the Phenom X4 would be fantastic for dual-SMP...not sure about the X3 though. You can use the WinAFC program to load-balance the SMP threads...

[Nemon]

Xroger,
that log is a single core client log. you probably need smp client on that phenom... have to use the smp flag.... delete your clients and setup smp...
the guides are linked next to the dl at fah http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther (smp is at the bottom).

Nemon,
all you need to do to join xs folding is start folding and use team# 36362 during your config when you run the client for the first time.
Vista 64 bit, going from the hardware in your sig...
run the nvidia gpu systray client http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther
and since you're on a intel quad, run dual smp with AC.. here's a quickie walkthru http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199283

xroger, you can use that walkthru for smp too, but I'm not sure if AC or dual smp applies to a phenom... but you can still use the walkthru for a qucker way than fah's long guide method. just skip AC and only do one client.


welcome to the team guys...

Thanks, that tutorial worked great!
Question: Can my system run both smp's and the GPU client?

Which is better? 2xsmp or 1x GPU?

thanks

[ThunderDuck]

Thanks, that tutorial worked great!
Question: Can my system run both smp's and the GPU client?

Which is better? 2xsmp or 1x GPU?

thanks

You running Vista or XP?
With Vista and a quad you can run 2smp and the GPU no problem. With that i7 I dont know it may work just as well in XP.

[MikeB12]

yeah Nemon, on vista64 and your intel quad, keep the dual smp clients running...
and install the gpu systray client for your 260 (much easier setup than smp).
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandeg...ystray-623.msi

all you need to do is put your username and team # 36362 in the client, which can be accessed by right clicking the systray icon it installs and configure. it's gui... if you want the shortcut on your desktop instead of the startup folder. just move the gpu icon from your windows start menu-startup folder to the desktop. that's how I do mine, so windows wont try and start the gpu client every boot. I can choose when to run it.

then to monitor them install a 3rd party app fahmon. http://fahmon.net/
and right click the white area to add your clients to monitor.
the smp clients just get pointed to the install dir's.
the gpu client is in your profile, my path is at the bottom of the window here.
this is one of my Q6600's and a 8800gt on 2 smp's and a gpu client...
pretty much the same as you except, you have better hardware.. (but the config is the same - intel quad and one nvidia gpu). btw: don't use the viewer in the gpu client, just use fahmon...

[Sparky]

[XRogerX]

you know i just thought of something about folding here i am ready to give up cause im having this problem with folding , but wtf it like i will be giving up on the people that we are helping and i cant do that ,i might not know how to install this but damn you dont see the people that have this illness giving up ,im ashamed of myself

anyways sry for that small rant but anywho ,i have read alot but i still cant get this going only in single core i want to atleast run two cores and i want to see everything so when i goto the ttaskbar i can do what i want to do
i cant understand all the technical talk, would anyone be able to walk me though this

Also again i will be folding with the with the system thats in my sig

Thanks Roger

[Sparky]

OK, here let's start from scratch

Remove everything FAH related first.

1. Download FAH SMP HERE

2. Install it. Preferably outside Program Files, so somewhere like C:\FAH SMP

3. You'll need a password on your user account.
If you are running Vista, you'll need to turn off UAC and reboot for the change to take effect. I've been told that you don't have to, just run as admin, but I know disabling UAC works and UAC annoys me anyway

4. Go into where you installed it, then run install.bat. It should have your username already, just hit enter, then type in your password when prompted. I believe it won't display anything as you type, so type slowly and carefully so as to not mess up. I think it asks you twice. After you do that, it should say "If you see this, MPI is working" or something like that. If so, great! next step. If not, try running it again and retype your password.

5. In XP, go to Run and type in (including quotes) "C:\FAH SMP\folding@home-win32-x86.exe" -configonly (assuming C:\FAH SMP is where you installed it to). Put in your username, your team number 36362, your passkey is probably blank so just hit enter, no to sending/fetching work, no to proxy, big for acceptable work unit size, yes to change advanced options, no to launch automatically as a service (this is how I run, so there is a button on the taskbar), core priority idle, 100 CPU requested, no to disable optimized code, no to pause if on battery power, whatever you want for checkpoints (I use 5 min), whatever memory to indicate (I typically use full amount), yes to set -advmethods flag always, no to ignore deadline info, 1 for machine ID, no for disabling CPU affinity lock, nothing for additional client parameters, nothing for IP address core binding.

6. Create a shortcut, say on your desktop, with this target (including quotes): "C:\FAH SMP\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe" -smp -forceasm -verbosity 9
-smp tells it to run in SMP mode. -forceasm I've found helps with keeping it from going bonkers when restarting the client. -verbosity 9 makes it log everything that happens, makes troubleshooting easier.

That is how I set it up, and it works. If you need any more help or clarification on these steps, let me know!

[XRogerX]

ok i have tryed this like 5times and this is what i get

Stopping MPICH2 Process Manager, Argonne National Lab.
MPICH2 Process Manager, Argonne National Lab stopped.
MPICH2 Process Manager, Argonne National Lab removed.
MPICH2 Process Manager, Argonne National Lab installed.
account (domain\user) [RAID0VIDEOOC1\Roger]: XRogerX
password:
confirm password:
Password encrypted into the Registry.
Credentials for XRogerX rejected connecting to raid0VideoOC1
Aborting: Unable to connect to raid0VideoOC1
Press any key to continue . . .

[Sparky]

For the account, put in what you see in those brackets. RAID0VIDEOOC1\Roger
That is your account ID on your PC, not your F@H username

When you run the config part in step 5, that is where you put in your F@H user ID

[XRogerX]

ok this is what i got now


Note: Please read the license agreement (Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe -license). F
urther
use of this software requires that you have read and accepted this agreement.



--- Opening Log file [December 17 19:24:46 UTC]


# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
################################################## #############################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.22 SMP Beta2

http://folding.stanford.edu

################################################## #############################
################################################## #############################

Launch directory: C:\FAH SMP
Executable: C:\FAH SMP\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe


[19:24:46] - Ask before connecting: No
[19:24:46] - User name: XRogerX (Team 36362)
[19:24:46] - User ID: 51E19A292C3F3E86
[19:24:46] - Machine ID: 1
[19:24:46]
[19:24:47] Loaded queue successfully.
[19:24:47]
[19:24:47] + Processing work unit
[19:24:47] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[19:24:47] Core found.
[19:24:47] Working on queue slot 01 [December 17 19:24:47 UTC]
[19:24:47] + Working ...
[19:24:47]
[19:24:47] *------------------------------*
[19:24:47] Folding@Home Gromacs Core
[19:24:47] Version 1.90 (March 8, 2006)
[19:24:47]
[19:24:47] Preparing to commence simulation
[19:24:47] - Looking at optimizations...
[19:24:47] - Files status OK
[19:24:47] - Expanded 238214 -> 1167721 (decompressed 490.1 percent)
[19:24:47]
[19:24:47] Project: 4440 (Run 592, Clone 0, Gen 1)
[19:24:47]
[19:24:47] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[19:24:47] Entering M.D.
[19:25:07] (Starting from checkpoint)
[19:25:07] Protein: p4440_Seq42_Amber03
[19:25:07]
[19:25:07] Writing local files
[19:26:25] Extra SSE boost OK.
[19:26:25] Writing local files
[19:26:25] Completed 0 out of 1500000 steps (0%)


ok now i dont understand the desktop short cut , i think im doing the wrong this but what do i know

[Sparky]

Well without setting up the desktop shortcut right you won't get SMP running, you're back on uniprocessor mode.

I attached a picture of what the shortcut target line should look like. You can't see the whole thing but the main part of interest is visible. Shut it down. Change your desktop shortcut to look like that (just add the stuff on after the quote) But leave your Start in alone. Mine is located in a different spot. Then go into that folder and delete the work folder and the queue.dat file. Start it up again.

[Nemon]

Cant get both SMP's to run. FAH SMP Affinity Changer 64bit is installed and running.
Task manager says both smp's are running, FAH MON shows ony one

Aslo GPU will not show up on FAH MON

Help on fixing this.

Thanks

[MikeB12]

ok, the ppd on that smp looks like a single core unit.
stop the clients, delete the work folder and queue.dat file from your smp install directories to get rid of the single core untis.
you need to follow that walkthru to the letter, including adding the flags in the shortcut. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199283

make sure you have typed the smp and local flags with a space between in the desktop shortcuts,

Win32-x86.exe -smp -local

this tells the client to run in smp mode, instead of single core mode.. then when you launch the smp clients you should have 8 instances of fahcore_a1 in taskmgr. 4 per client.

[MikeB12]

to read your gpu in fahmon. you need to point it to the path example in my ss below. the path at the bottom shows you where. you will nee to show hidden files and folders to see it - from folder options in ctrl panel

[XRogerX]

Well without setting up the desktop shortcut right you won't get SMP running, you're back on uniprocessor mode.

I attached a picture of what the shortcut target line should look like. You can't see the whole thing but the main part of interest is visible. Shut it down. Change your desktop shortcut to look like that (just add the stuff on after the quote) But leave your Start in alone. Mine is located in a different spot. Then go into that folder and delete the work folder and the queue.dat file. Start it up again.

wow i made the shortcut but it showing that im still running single core

Note: Please read the license agreement (Folding@home-Win32-x86 -smp -f -license
). Further
use of this software requires that you have read and accepted this agreement.




--- Opening Log file [December 17 22:40:33 UTC]


# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
################################################## #############################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.22 SMP Beta2

http://folding.stanford.edu

################################################## #############################
################################################## #############################

Launch directory: C:\FAH SMP
Executable: C:\FAH SMP\Folding@home-Win32-x86 -smp -forceasm -verbosity 9.exe


[22:40:33] - Ask before connecting: No
[22:40:33] - User name: XRogerX (Team 36362)
[22:40:33] - User ID: 51E19A292C3F3E86
[22:40:33] - Machine ID: 1
[22:40:33]
[22:40:33] Loaded queue successfully.
[22:40:33] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[22:40:33] + Attempting to get work packet
[22:40:33] - Connecting to assignment server
[22:40:34] - Successful: assigned to (171.67.108.13).
[22:40:34] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[22:40:34] Loaded queue successfully.
[22:40:45] + Closed connections
[22:40:45]
[22:40:45] + Processing work unit
[22:40:45] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[22:40:45] Core found.
[22:40:45] Working on queue slot 01 [December 17 22:40:45 UTC]
[22:40:45] + Working ...
[22:40:45]
[22:40:45] *------------------------------*
[22:40:45] Folding@Home Gromacs Core
[22:40:45] Version 1.90 (March 8, 2006)
[22:40:45]
[22:40:45] Preparing to commence simulation
[22:40:45] - Looking at optimizations...
[22:40:45] - Created dyn
[22:40:45] - Files status OK
[22:40:45] - Expanded 238048 -> 1168241 (decompressed 490.7 percent)
[22:40:45] - Starting from initial work packet
[22:40:45]
[22:40:45] Project: 4438 (Run 602, Clone 0, Gen 1)
[22:40:45]
[22:40:45] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[22:40:45] Entering M.D.
[22:40:52] Protein: p4438_Seq41_Amber03
[22:40:52]
[22:40:52] Writing local files
[22:42:10] Extra SSE boost OK.
[22:42:11] Writing local files
[22:42:11] Completed 0 out of 1500000 steps (0%)




Im also getting this to



4 cores detected
Credentials for RAID0VIDEOOC1\Roger rejected connecting to raid0VideoOC1
Aborting: Unable to connect to raid0VideoOC1
[22:27:41] Error running mpiexec. Please check your configuration and re-run
stall.bat if necessary

[MikeB12]

stop the client and delete the enire work folder and queue.dat file from your install dir. until you do this, it will try to finish that single core unit you already started.

when you launched install.bat.. did you get "mpi is working" in the message.
the user you use for install.bat needs to be a windows admin. not your folding user.

[XRogerX]

Ok i got it working on all 4cores here is the long of it

Note: Please read the license agreement (Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe -license). F
urther
use of this software requires that you have read and accepted this agreement.

4 cores detected
If you see this twice, MPI is working
If you see this twice, MPI is working


--- Opening Log file [December 17 23:16:36 UTC]


# Windows SMP Console Edition #################################################
################################################## #############################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.22 SMP Beta2

http://folding.stanford.edu

################################################## #############################
################################################## #############################

Launch directory: C:\FAH SMP
Executable: C:\FAH SMP\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe
Arguments: -smp -forceasm -verbosity 9

Warning:
By using the -forceasm flag, you are overriding
safeguards in the program. If you did not intend to
do this, please restart the program without -forceasm.
If work units are not completing fully (and particularly
if your machine is overclocked), then please discontinue
use of the flag.

[23:16:36] - Ask before connecting: No
[23:16:36] - User name: XRogerX (Team 36362)
[23:16:36] - User ID: 51E19A292C3F3E86
[23:16:36] - Machine ID: 1
[23:16:36]
[23:16:36] Work directory not found. Creating...
[23:16:36] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[23:16:36] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[23:16:36] - Autosending finished units... [December 17 23:16:36 UTC]
[23:16:36] + Attempting to get work packet
[23:16:36] Trying to send all finished work units
[23:16:36] - Will indicate memory of 3036 MB
[23:16:36] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[23:16:36] - Detect CPU.[23:16:36] - Autosend completed
Vendor: AuthenticAMD, Family: 15, Model: 2, Stepping: 3
[23:16:36] - Connecting to assignment server
[23:16:36] Connecting to http://assign.stanford.edu:8080/
[23:16:36] Posted data.
[23:16:36] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.64).
[23:16:36] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[23:16:36] Loaded queue successfully.
[23:16:36] Connecting to http://171.64.65.64:8080/
[23:16:40] Posted data.
[23:16:40] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 2428300)
[23:16:42] - Downloaded at ~1185 kB/s
[23:16:42] - Averaged speed for that direction ~1185 kB/s
[23:16:42] + Received work.
[23:16:42] + Closed connections
[23:16:42]
[23:16:42] + Processing work unit
[23:16:42] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[23:16:42] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[23:16:42] Core not found.
[23:16:42] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[23:16:42] - Attempting to download new core...
[23:16:42] + Downloading new core: FahCore_a1.exe
[23:16:42] Downloading core (/~pande/Win32/x86/Core_a1.fah from www.stanford.edu
)
[23:16:43] Initial: AFDE; + 10240 bytes downloaded
[23:16:43] Initial: AD21; + 20480 bytes downloaded
[23:16:43] Initial: CC38; + 30720 bytes downloaded
[23:16:43] Initial: 8501; + 40960 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Initial: F56A; + 51200 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Initial: ABAE; + 61440 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Initial: B6B0; + 71680 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Initial: 783A; + 81920 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Initial: B2A6; + 92160 bytes downloaded
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[23:16:44] Initial: DD6C; + 788480 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Initial: D2E9; + 789667 bytes downloaded
[23:16:44] Verifying core Core_a1.fah...
[23:16:44] Signature is VALID
[23:16:44]
[23:16:44] Trying to unzip core FahCore_a1.exe
[23:16:45] Decompressed FahCore_a1.exe (2035712 bytes) successfully
[23:16:50] + Core successfully engaged
[23:16:55]
[23:16:55] + Processing work unit
[23:16:55] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[23:16:55] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[23:16:55] Core found.
[23:16:55] Using generic mpiexec calls
[23:16:55] Working on queue slot 01 [December 17 23:16:55 UTC]
[23:16:55] + Working ...
[23:16:55] - Calling 'mpiexec -np 4 -channel auto -host 127.0.0.1 FahCore_a1.exe
-dir work/ -suffix 01 -checkpoint 5 -forceasm -verbose -lifeline 3332 -version
622'

[23:16:55]
[23:16:55] *------------------------------*
[23:16:55] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[23:16:55] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[23:16:55]
[23:16:55] Preparing to commence simulation
[23:16:55] - Assembly optimizations manually forced on.
[23:16:55] - Not checking prior termination.
[23:16:57] - Expanded 2427788 -> 12894245 (decompressed 531.1 percent)
[23:16:58] - Starting from initial work packet
[23:16:58]
[23:16:58] Project: 2653 (Run 32, Clone 19, Gen 95)
[23:16:58]
[23:16:58] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[23:16:58] Entering M.D.
[23:17:04] Rejecting checkpoint
[23:17:05] OPC
[23:17:05] Writing local files
[23:17:05] Extra SSE boost OK.
[23:17:05]
[23:17:06] Extra SSE boost OK.
[23:17:06] Writing local files
[23:17:06] Completed 0 out of 500000 steps (0 percent)

i thought this was supposed to run in the taskbar

[MikeB12]

you got it. that's an smp unit. the smp client only runs in a cmd window...
there is a guide around here somewhere for configuring it as a service, but I've always used the cmd window method.

[XRogerX]

ok but i cant close this cause it will close it out completely correct, ok what can i use to see how long its going to take

ok i noticed that you got two windows open my i ask why ,cause i only got one open

[MikeB12]

you only need one on a phenom..

see above posts fahmon monitoring http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=607

[XRogerX]

i dont think i have anything for the GPU

i have 4850 512 MB (Crossfire)

[MikeB12]

fahmon is a smp monitoring tool too.