Thanks... Those clear the doubts, skepticism and speculations..Originally Posted by azraeel101
Thanks... Those clear the doubts, skepticism and speculations..
3 tested out from 30, best one used. Well, one can call that hand picking, nothing compared to Intel, though.so the 6ghz cpu was handpicked after all.
anyway 4ghz sounds good on stock air cooling, keep it coming.
I know overclockers who test more samples to find the golden one3 tested out from 30, best one used. Well, one can call that hand picking, nothing compared to Intel, though.
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3 out of 30... To be honest I just cant name that handpicked3 tested out from 30, best one used. Well, one can call that hand picking, nothing compared to Intel, though.
Anyway, My ETA got extended!To 19-12-08
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19-12 is a good day, my birthday3 out of 30... To be honest I just cant name that handpicked
Anyway, My ETA got extended!
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Err 3 out fo 3 units tested benched to 5.5Ghz on LN2 the "hand picked" unit managed to bench at 5.8Ghz and suicided to 6.2Ghz and that is some how a bad thing? Even if bldegle2 misspoke and all 30 units had been tested. We are still looking at 10% of the CPUs hitting 5.5Ghz+. Current CPU-Z world record for the i7 is only 5.5Ghz. The only caveat that I see is if the third of a tray they had to work with was cherry picked at the packaging plant. If we are looking at a typical tray of parts, we are looking great, compared to both Intel i7 and the AMD Phenom 1.so the 6ghz cpu was handpicked after all.
anyway 4ghz sounds good on stock air cooling, keep it coming.
Have to agree with you Rammetiener, sorry about that eta slippage.3 out of 30... To be honest I just cant name that handpicked
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And those 30 were all retail boxed or already preselected at the Dresden fab (or wherever they are manufactured)
It's every manufacturers privilege to provide it's best clockers with so called golden samples.. Also what's handpicked to you then ? 1 out of 100, ...? What is cherry picked then ? Even one out of two is handpicked to me, as you just take the best... if you got only one to choose from, like the average Joe, I call it luck... if the crowd will get Phenom II at or around 4ghz, most users will be very happy with the performance/price ratio...
I don't mind what brand will be in my rig next year when I upgrade, but I rather prefer to see some results then a zillion of pages of nothing spread over several threads... but this seems to be so typical to the news section threads... nice catchy titles and numerous discussions on pointless matters...
Let's hope for AMD this baby will be the rv770 for it's CPU's again, like in the good old Athlon and Athlon 64 days... competition is soooo nice...
!!! I WANT RESULTS TO COMPARE PLZ !!!
Last edited by Leeghoofd; 12-06-2008 at 08:16 AM.
Question : Why do some overclockers switch into d*ckmode when money is involved
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i think this is the rv670 of the cpu's, a better balanced chip with better thermals
let's hope their next cpu is the rv770 and destroys the competition
I only talk performance... I want the fastest, not the coolest or a mix of those two... what I meant was that RV770 (48series) shocked the community and Nvidia till now has got no real reply... would be nice if AMD can pull that one off for it's CPU's
Question : Why do some overclockers switch into d*ckmode when money is involved
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That probably won't happen until Bulldozer.
About cherry picking, from the AMD section
That is one of three. If you have 30 processors, pick three of those and try to OC as high as possible. Two goes to 5.5 and one over 6
As I understand it, the other 27 processors was not tested?
i understand it that way: they tested all 30 and took the three best....
Also im with that what Leeghoofd said, we dont know if that 30 cpus where retail or what ever else, so maybe they where already preselected.
But to be honest i don't care anymore for that event, i want to see results from users around here.
Last edited by Hornet331; 12-06-2008 at 05:13 PM.
most likely because more volts didn't hep those chips. happens with a lot of phenom I.i understand it that way: they tested all 30 and took the three best....
Also im with that what Leeghoofd said, we dont know if that 30 cpus where retail or what ever else, so maybe they where already preselected.
But to be honest i don't care anymore for that event, i want to see results from users around here.
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You didn't get the memo? 1 hour 'Fugger time' is equal to 12 hours of regular time.
But he wrote "they tested only three processors from a 30 unit batch"
This is awsome news guys as there is a much better selection of high quality 790fx boards out there with the sb600.
posted by Stuen4y in the AMD thread.......http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=456005
A little update of the theme. It seems that Phenom II won't suffer from the ACC bug and will be fully competitive on SB600 boards. Arguement. I don't care about the conditions, the results are significant
P.S. That is confirmed only for the BE processors. I have no information about the FSB clock and how will the SB600 clock PII 920.
Last edited by G0ldBr1ck; 12-06-2008 at 05:32 PM.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
^ That is great news! Now i dont need to worry about my Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 mobo.
Yeah why don't they screen 100000 chips (probably next gen ones fused to look like current ones) and pick the best one. Then have their front man drive to Las Vegas and have an 'expert' overclocker run it on air with secret settings on a modified board and have an air conditioner blowing air through the cooler (hmm wonder why there was music playing in the background during the actual run)
What do you all expect AMD to do from a part that hasn't officially launched yet? There are enough people who can be trusted that showed up at the event and saw everything with their own eyes. I believe that more than what I just described above.
Exactly. And nothing is being done about it. Just like the dude that directly insulted me. Hmm, wonder what happened to that guy...
Maybe I should change my avatar and put some blue in there so that maybe when the next guy does it something will happen.
Yeah, from what I saw as well as after having a hands on play, I believe we'll see higher frequencies obtained by the OC elite with combinations of lower multipliers (than used by AMD @ the demo) and higher bus frequencies. Here's a snippet from a post I made on OCAU replying to dino on this point:
Also on this note, all the media were getting stuck at ~3.9GHz because they were only using multiplier while with a combination of settings I hit 4.1GHz with minimal effort. This further adds weight to the concept that the chips have potential to go further in the hands of experienced overclockers using combinations of settings.
An interesting side note: The maximum multiplier available is currently 48x so there's plenty of multiplier headroom
Hey seeing as you were there, how many systems were running OC'ed? Was it just one running as all the cherry picker comments seem to imply?
Also did you actually see the systems running at the claimed speed for more than a suicide shot?
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FYI, there is a Edit button in bottom right of your post in case you didnt know that and I dont mean that rude if it sounds that way.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
What exchange are you referring to?
If this come close to what it is im going back to AMD!!
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Heheheh, you put a smile on my face. You don't see these same people questioning "Dr"Who. In fact the thread where respected members started to ask tough questions got closed down temporarily. Too hot for drWho!!!!!!Yeah why don't they screen 100000 chips (probably next gen ones fused to look like current ones) and pick the best one. Then have their front man drive to Las Vegas and have an 'expert' overclocker run it on air with secret settings on a modified board and have an air conditioner blowing air through the cooler (hmm wonder why there was music playing in the background during the actual run)
What do you all expect AMD to do from a part that hasn't officially launched yet? There are enough people who can be trusted that showed up at the event and saw everything with their own eyes. I believe that more than what I just described above.
For all we know that partial screenshot was of a Sempron
And when DrWho was called out he tried to turn it around by saying his point is to show that all manufacturer demos are worthless!!!! He should run for president of France with these political skills. Watch out Sarkozy!!!!!
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