Retail AMD Phenom II X4 (Deneb) OC spotted

[Calmatory]

I agree, the results thus far suggest the "leaked" amd shots are monstrous one of a kind cherry chips. That or 4.6ghz+ requires ln2 or a 3 stage cascade, which means although good chips, just match intel. Not bad and it means competition to the average joe who is not going core i7.

However the lack of "leaked"(everything has been leaked already) game benchmarks I think is a sign that, game performance is lacking.

How is game performance lacking? It is basically the same as the old Phenom performance, with some improvements.

People should get that the BIG thing about Phenom II/Deneb is indeed the OC and power draw, not the performance gains really. Only slight gains over Phenom. ...until the overclocking steps in and all the tables roll over and turn upside down due to great OC capabilities.

AMD will be showing off their stuff in few hours at San Fran. If they had something to hide, they would not hold these events.

All the leaks have possibly been more or less under NDA, and only good few people have guts to show stuff at all. Besides, usually it is Intel and Nvidia that leak stuff, AMD keeps everything so secret that even their CEO barely knows what's going on...

AMD wants people to talk. Talk about Phenom II. Thus the small leaks here and there.

since when we started believing software for temps? even more with unreleased products that most of the time dont have full software support.

Temps are not important you just need to know MHz headroom

At least for me load temps matter quite a bit. It directly correlates with the power draw, which then has it's small influence in the power bill and temperature of the other components in the case. It also gives some insight about the quality of the stock cooler and max oc with it. Idle temps, useless...

[ownage]

At least for me load temps matter quite a bit. It directly correlates with the power draw, which then has it's small influence in the power bill and temperature of the other components in the case. It also gives some insight about the quality of the stock cooler and max oc with it. Idle temps, useless...

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

[hstuehmeyer2000]

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

the e6600 runs hotter because it has 2 more meg. of cache

[ownage]

the e6600 runs hotter because it has 2 more meg. of cache

No, not true. It has 4mb but only 2mb is used. And 2mb cache could never make a 15c temp difference.
I also noticed 10c difference between two e7200 cpu's.

[Shadowmage]

No, not true. It has 4mb but only 2mb is used. And 2mb cache could never make a 15c temp difference.
I also noticed 10c difference between two e7200 cpu's.

It's because of manufacturing variations that effect static leakage (eg. variations to gate oxide thickness), simple as that. A delta of 15C is certainly feasible.

[Calmatory]

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

AFAIK the temp readings were taken with a board with AMD chipset, AMD CPU, and the software was provided by AMD. Can't talk about "unreleased hardware", when the chipset and software teams have been toying with each other for months prior to this, and Deneb is basically Agena with optimizations and bigger L3, shouldn't be too tricky to get everything working.

But yeah, cool chip with 125 W TDP. I doubt it.

[TurboDiv]

I feel clock for clock this is going to come out equal in performance to Yorkfield since its just an optimization of older technology. We can't expect miracles when you think about it realistically. I sure hope so its on par with i7 but I'm skeptical at this moment since there is not much from AMD about its performance in clock for clock terms- YES it clocks like SEX but how about that clock for clock situation ?

[Uncle Jimbo]

But yeah, cool chip with 125 W TDP. I doubt it.

Here's an interesting result on i7 - 105C on a 4G OC!!! now THAT's hot!
http://www.tbreak.com/articles/13/1/...ing/Page1.html
The 965EE running stock is 77C at load.

A friend of mine who has been testing i7 says gaming performance is 'disappointing' compared to his previous Intel OC results, and that the chip runs up against the 130W TDP protection (and clocks down) pretty quickly. When he turns off TDP protection, the chip gets hotter than a firecracker.

deneb looks to be running very cool - one poster shows 38C at 3.6G on air
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=354

I'm sure we will see a lot more benchmarks in a few weeks when the AMD tester NDA is lifted. But from what has been leaked, it looks like these chips will produce a lot less heat while running at or better than i7 in most real world situations. And, they plug in to existing boards, so a buyer is looking at <$300 to upgrade versus board, ram and processor for i7 ~$800 or more. Also a lot easier to pop in a CPU than re-rig a whole box.

They also seem to be available in the channel and some retail chips are being put out for 'evaluation' - http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/rea...msgid=25275998

[ownage]

A friend of mine who has been testing i7 says gaming performance is 'disappointing' compared to his previous Intel OC results, and that the chip runs up against the 130W TDP protection (and clocks down) pretty quickly. When he turns off TDP protection, the chip gets hotter than a firecracker.

disappointing?
Overclocking a quadcore 2.67ghz to almost 4.4ghz bootable on stock cooling is disappointing? I can't remember any other cpu architecture other then wolfdale (dualore) doing that.

If you compare Nehalem with a Kentsfield both on 3.6ghz Nehalem will be faster and won't get hot. If you compare a Nehalem with a Yorkfied, both on 4ghz, the Nehalem gets hotter. But who cares? Nehalem is still faster.

Even when Deneb won't get as hot as Nehalem, its allot slower actually.
In the end temps don't matter, but the performace and price does.

I will buy a Yorkfield because I already own 4gb ddr2 and a P35 board, or I will spend more money and get a Phenom2. If I had the money, I would buy Nehalem.

[Rammsteiner]

disappointing?
Overclocking a quadcore 2.67ghz to almost 4.4ghz bootable on stock cooling is disappointing? I can't remember any other cpu architecture other then wolfdale (dualore) doing that.

Opteron.

If you compare Nehalem with a Kentsfield both on 3.6ghz Nehalem will be faster and won't get hot. If you compare a Nehalem with a Yorkfied, both on 4ghz, the Nehalem gets hotter. But who cares? Nehalem is still faster.

Although I wouldnt care, it's just funny as K10 was all crap, also because of the horrible temps

Even when Deneb won't get as hot as Nehalem, its allot slower actually.
In the end temps don't matter, but the performace and price does.

In what applications, because that's really a very wierd statement as i7 hardly beats Yorkfield in some cases while gaming

I will buy a Yorkfield because I already own 4gb ddr2 and a P35 board, or I will spend more money and get a Phenom2. If I had the money, I would buy Nehalem.

If you've already a fully Intel system it's indeed the best way to get a PhII. Although AM2+/AM3 platform is cheap, if you've got to purchase most of it, it's still money

[ownage]

Opteron
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Opteron isn' exactly desktop stuff.

In what applications, because that's really a very wierd statement as i7 hardly beats Yorkfield in some cases while gaming
:

Let me explain
Performance and price is important is what I said.
I compared Deneb with Nehalem and not with Yorkfield in this statement.

It depends on the money you have to spend.
And yes at this moment Nehalem is not much faster then Yorkfield so indeed if you look at the price Yorkfield might be a better buy.



The fun thing about Deneb is unlocked multiplier for a 'normal' price. Good boards for a decent price. PhII + DFI m2rs would be awesome. I always wanted to own a DFI board

[Uncle Jimbo]

disappointing?
Overclocking a quadcore 2.67ghz to almost 4.4ghz bootable on stock cooling is disappointing? I can't remember any other cpu architecture other then wolfdale (dualore) doing that.

If you compare Nehalem with a Kentsfield both on 3.6ghz Nehalem will be faster and won't get hot. If you compare a Nehalem with a Yorkfied, both on 4ghz, the Nehalem gets hotter. But who cares? Nehalem is still faster.

Even when Deneb won't get as hot as Nehalem, its allot slower actually.
In the end temps don't matter, but the performace and price does.

I will buy a Yorkfield because I already own 4gb ddr2 and a P35 board, or I will spend more money and get a Phenom2. If I had the money, I would buy Nehalem.

He had an E8800 at 3.8G and says that his gaming performance was as good or better than i7 at 3.8G, and cooler too. At 4G the i7 is somewhat faster but way too hot for his taste and takes a big noisy cooler. I don't do any gaming so I don't really know.

[Zucker2k]

He had an E8800 at 3.8G and says that his gaming performance was as good or better than i7 at 3.8G, and cooler too. At 4G the i7 is somewhat faster but way too hot for his taste and takes a big noisy cooler. I don't do any gaming so I don't really know.

Does your friend know a quad/8 threads mean jack if a game can't take advantage of it? An E8800? Are those out yet?

[Sentential]

disappointing?

.......Even when Deneb won't get as hot as Nehalem, its allot slower actually.
In the end temps don't matter....

Ah and that is where you are mistaken. If you lived in a hot climate like say central florida where it is not unheard of to have 30-35c* ambient temps, heat is a HUGE deal.

My old intel Q9300 box used to heat my room up into the 90*F range and made my gaming experience absolutely unbearable. I had to redirect the central AC of the house to my room and open the door and add box fans to keep myself cool enough to not be miserable.

Deneb having a much more manageable heat load is the main reason I am going to it (note I have the money to go i7 but chose not to) With i7 having 80c*+ load temps it is absolutely out of the question for me to purchase unless I get a window mounted AC unit (also out of the question).

[ownage]

Ah and that is where you are mistaken. If you lived in a hot climate like say central florida where it is not unheard of to have 30-35c* ambient temps, heat is a HUGE deal.

My old intel Q9300 box used to heat my room up into the 90*F range and made my gaming experience absolutely unbearable. I had to redirect the central AC of the house to my room and open the door and add box fans to keep myself cool enough to not be miserable.

Deneb having a much more manageable heat load is the main reason I am going to it (note I have the money to go i7 but chose not to) With i7 having 80c*+ load temps it is absolutely out of the question for me to purchase unless I get a window mounted AC unit (also out of the question).

Very good point.

[metro.cl]

How is game performance lacking? It is basically the same as the old Phenom performance, with some improvements.

People should get that the BIG thing about Phenom II/Deneb is indeed the OC and power draw, not the performance gains really. Only slight gains over Phenom. ...until the overclocking steps in and all the tables roll over and turn upside down due to great OC capabilities.

AMD will be showing off their stuff in few hours at San Fran. If they had something to hide, they would not hold these events.

All the leaks have possibly been more or less under NDA, and only good few people have guts to show stuff at all. Besides, usually it is Intel and Nvidia that leak stuff, AMD keeps everything so secret that even their CEO barely knows what's going on...

AMD wants people to talk. Talk about Phenom II. Thus the small leaks here and there.



At least for me load temps matter quite a bit. It directly correlates with the power draw, which then has it's small influence in the power bill and temperature of the other components in the case. It also gives some insight about the quality of the stock cooler and max oc with it. Idle temps, useless...

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

That is the whole point