AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[AbelJemka]

I guess nothing personally.
Some want CpuZ validation. Here they are!
Cooling? unknow.
Voltage? unknow.
Just one guy manage 4.4GHz with PII940

[Ghostbuster]

First i don't think this guy have right to valide CpuZ cause of NDA.
Second i just post link i make zero assumption contrary to u.
if u can conclude base on this link that AMD can't do 5 GHz... you are very good, very, very good

Well the NDA didn't held back the 4.4GHz validation... so why should it prevent anyone from showing a 5GHz+ validation, which would be good publicity.. ain't it?

Exactly.Plus,if I had to guess,I'd say all of those submitted clocks are done with air/wc.

So, none of them tried DI or LN2?

[Oliverda]

I think Theo was speaking about AM2+ version .
Also i think DDR3/AM3 Denebs will not need higher NB clocks more than DDR2/AM2+ ones.
In any case,the NB clocks never crossed the 1.3 ratio mark like i've shown in my previous post.Not even on Shanghai 45nm parts(which are socketF,not F+/HT3.0).

I don't agree with you. The article clearly states that he was speaking about the AM3 modells. I think that it can't reach 16GB/s from DDR2 and they'll need higher NB frequencies to take advantage somehow from the faster DDR3 modules.

[AbelJemka]

Well the NDA didn't held back the 4.4GHz validation... so why should it prevent anyone from showing a 5GHz+ validation, which would be good publicity.. ain't it?

So, none of them tried DI or LN2?

Someguy could play with PII940 and was careless enough to validate is score so it show on the new CpuZ Hall of Fame, that's the story plain and simple
I don't understand why you try to extrapolate about that Ghostbuster...
Why no 5GHz screenies? Don't know! Maybe No one can, what will probably make you happy

[justapost]

Link to new CPUZ:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209806
Link to new Hall of Fame :
http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php
Link to world record frequency K10:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=448873

See also :
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=452168

Nice, thank you. They all have to use very low ht speeds here, would be nice if cpu-z would show the nb speed on the validation page.
Can be they do not need >2GHz now because the L3 works more efficient in terms of latencies and bandwidth.

[demonkevy666]

I don't agree with you. The article clearly states that he was speaking about the AM3 modells. I think that it can't reach 16GB/s from DDR2 and they'll need higher NB frequencies to take advantage somehow from the faster DDR3 modules.

over clocked ram would be needed I can't find the post but someone with 1,200mhz ram was getting 13.5gbs in sandra.
besides putting more then 2.2 volts can kill some chips,don't know about these new chips but my chip gets hotter at 2.0 ram volts.

[azraeel101]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=452168

1. lol OC on an AsRock
2. 4.1GHz OC done without raising the multi? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought HT OC is kinda weak on Phenoms..

That P2 920 looks better and better, I don't think I'll have the money for a 940 anyway. I have to get a decent MB too...

[Lightman]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=452168

1. lol OC on an AsRock
2. 4.1GHz OC done without raising the multi? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought HT OC is kinda weak on Phenoms..

That P2 920 looks better and better, I don't think I'll have the money for a 940 anyway. I have to get a decent MB too...

I was going to point to this validation, but you're faster

Regarding HTT clocking, even recent 9950BE are doing 270-300HTT easily.

[v_rr]

Those 4.4xx Mhz where Air or Water-cooling?

[azraeel101]

Regarding HTT clocking, even recent 9950BE are doing 270-300HTT easily.

Thanks for that info
So that settles it, I'll go for the 920 and oc with HT like real men do
Now I gotta decide on what mobo to get...

[justapost]

1. lol OC on an AsRock

Best 790GX board I had, I archived the same results as on the GBT 790GX.

Regarding HTT clocking, even recent 9950BE are doing 270-300HTT easily.

But only if you run (stable) with an modest NB speed which eats up most of the bandwidth gains.

[Ghostbuster]

Those 4.4xx Mhz where Air or Water-cooling?

Check http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=12

This oc was under phase change (-40°) .

[informal]

Ghostbuster,the thing haven't launched yet,and you're eager to show it OCs like a dog based on 3 submissions...Give it time for more people to try and use the chip first.The more people try out new Phenoms ,more results will be coming in.Heck ,many boards haven't got the bios support yet

[Shintai]

Ghostbuster,the thing haven't launched yet,and you're eager to show it OCs like a dog based on 3 submissions...Give it time for more people to try and use the chip first.The more people try out new Phenoms ,more results will be coming in.Heck ,many boards haven't got the bios support yet

And you are doing what again? Hype? Or eager to show it OCs like mad?

Exactly.Plus,if I had to guess,I'd say all of those submitted clocks are done with air/wc.

Those 4.4xx Mhz where Air or Water-cooling?

He simply pointed out it was done under phase change at -40C.

[informal]

Reading comprehension problems?
I said:"Plus,if I had to guess". Guess means guess.Like i said it's 3 submissions.Three. Also,we've already seen the 6.2Ghz screen shot most people demanded.
Today is a Chicago event at which some of XSers will be present,maybe you should ask them what is going on?

edit: if you're going to do more ninja edits,i might do it as well .If you follow his last postings ,it seems he is trying to find something/anything wrong with the submissions or results. Even though it's good to remain skeptical,he seems as if he is on a mission or something ... We simply have almost no clues ,for the time being ,how this thing OCs or performs. Some demo and a few results like Vantage.

[Shintai]

Reading comprehension problems?
I said:"Plus,if I had to guess". Guess means guess.Like i said it's 3 submissions.Three. Also,we've already seen the 6.2Ghz screen shot most people demanded.
Today is a Chicago event at which some of XSers will be present,maybe you should ask them what is going on?

So you got dissapointed with the phase change. Poor you.

It still doesnt change the fact Ghostbuster posted. You should be happy that he cleared your doubt.

edit: if you're going to do more ninja edits,i might do it as well .If you follow his last postings ,it seems he is trying to find something/anything wrong with the submissions or results. Even though it's good to remain skeptical,he seems as if he is on a mission or something ... We simply have almost no clues ,for the time being ,how this thing OCs or performs.

And you are on a crusade to bully whoever doesnt post the shiny information you wish for? Its obviously ok to post above and beyond. But posting something thats less of your wishes? Ouch.

Double standards is fun aint it?

[AbelJemka]

Informal try to guess and he missed
Now you have on point in common with Informal, seems you both not very good at guessing game

Looks like 2008 will be another year with complete nVidia dominance.

joking

So you got dissapointed with the phase change. Poor you.

It still doesnt change the fact Ghostbuster posted. You should be happy that he cleared your doubt.

Facts stay facts. Now we know it was phase change but we don't know if it was his max frequency!

[informal]

So you got dissapointed with the phase change. Poor you.

It still doesnt change the fact Ghostbuster posted. You should be happy that he cleared your doubt.

Yeah i was "disappointed" by one result lol.. Maybe you should stop guessing,eh?

As more results come in we will know what it takes to run the thing at 3.8+Ghz and with what cooling.It's too early to say it needs this or that for certain clock.

edit: ahh futile is the fight with shintel's ninja edit skills...

[Shintai]

Informal try to guess and he missed
Now you have on point in common with Informal, seems you both not very good at guessing game


joking


Facts stay facts. Now we know it was phase change but we don't know if it was his max frequency!

Ofcourse we dont know the max frequency. But we do know it was phase change now and not air or WC.

But its clearly a hinderance in posting anything less than stellar with this:

Ghostbuster,the thing haven't launched yet,and you're eager to show it OCs like a dog based on 3 submissions...Give it time for more people to try and use the chip first.The more people try out new Phenoms ,more results will be coming in.Heck ,many boards haven't got the bios support yet

Instead fo being happy and say nice. 4.4Ghz reached on phase. Lets see if it can improve further!

[Ghostbuster]

I'm still a bit skeptical... For one, there weren't any 5GHz validations if Phenom IIs could overclock so easily.

[informal]

I'm still a bit skeptical... For one, there weren't any 5GHz validations if Phenom IIs could overclock so easily.

That's true indeed.But i'm skeptical about what can or can't be posted.On oktabit forums that admin barely posted 3.5+Ghz screen shot(after he got the permission).Vcore was not shown on the screen shot.
As moloko said,there are some boundaries until NDA lifts.Maybe indeed those chips at CPUz database couldn't go above 4.4Ghz ,wouldn't be the first nor the last time we see "bad" clockers(from extreme POV) from certain batches.Remember Agena already does 4.1+Ghz under cold..

[AbelJemka]

Ofcourse we dont know the max frequency. But we do know it was phase change now and not air or WC.

But its clearly a hinderance in posting anything less than stellar with this:



Instead fo being happy and say nice. 4.4Ghz reached on phase. Lets see if it can improve further!

But you reproach him what you did one months ago, chasing all non believers in threads relative to Core i7.

I'm still a bit skeptical... For one, there weren't any 5GHz validations if Phenom IIs could overclock so easily.

How many Core i7 5GHz validations before NDA left? How many simple validations even?

[Hornet331]

How many Core i7 5GHz validations before NDA left? How many simple validations even?

Fwik none and thats the point, Intel didn't started a hype, users showed that they can reach more then intel showed.
Amd on the other hand did a demo of a 6ghz Plus phenom II and set the expectation bar insanely high with that demonstration...

I call that bad PR, if amd would only have shown a 5GHz pII everyone would be as amazed as we are now, and if retail products oc even higher everyone would be freaking out. Now everyone expects 6ghz and if this is not reached everyone is disappointed...

[Calmatory]

Even though it's good to remain skeptical,he seems as if he is on a mission or something ... .

Appreared after AMD hit 6 GHz. About 90 % of the posts are in threads related to either Intel/AMD.

My guess:
*Shintel is reading some XS News at work...*
"Umg wtf AMD 6 GHZ!?"
*Calls to Donnie, Ghostbuster() and DrWho*
Shintel: "MAYDAY MAYDAY AMD HIT 6 GHZ!!"
Donnie: "So? I am tired of this. I quit!".
Shintel: "??? "
DrWho: "Omg. :|" *Goess to save Intel's honour*
Shintel: "HA HA HA POOR AMD"
GhostBuster: "Hey guys, I am quite new but I do what I can..."
...so they all are on their mission to thrash the competi...on their mission with Holy Olympic Spirit!

No Intelists were harmed while making this story!

[AbelJemka]

Fwik none and thats the point, Intel didn't started a hype, users show they can reach more then intel showed.
Amd on the other hand did a demo of a 6ghz Plus phenom II and set the expectation bar insanely high with that demonstration...

I call that bad PR, if amd would only have shown a 5GHz pII everyone would be as amazed as we are now, and if retail products oc even higher everyone would be freaking out. Now everyone expects 6ghz and if this is not reached everyone is disappointed...

You speak like PII is out but it's not.
You try to judge them before PII even out! Bad PR if it can't reach thoses frequencies.
But I don't think they are moving Sampsa and SF3D for just 4.4GHz max frequency on phase...

I will be in Chicago event together with SF3D. Kingpin's F1 EE + LN2 + Phenom II X4 940 BE

See you there

ps: congrats 2000 posts Hornet331