That was already covered by Intel's response. See first post.Originally Posted by Oliverda
That was already covered by Intel's response. See first post.
Urmm... Sorry I do not call that humour in any sense... especially the line "all your family will die of smallpox", sounds more like cursing.it seems the irony of my post was lost in your non humour day, lighten up dude
EDIT: Telling people's family to go and die a slow and horrible death is NOT funny and its certainly NOT humour! You can compare this kind of statements with those of terrorists and extremist threats. Seriously!
Last edited by Ghostbuster; 12-02-2008 at 11:10 AM.
Intel just talked about the AAJ1 erratum.These erratums are still exist. See the official Intel PDF.
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Guess how many TLB "issus" are still on 65nm C2 or X2.Intel just talked about the AAJ1 erratum.
Last edited by Hornet331; 12-02-2008 at 05:58 AM.
No. They talked about clarification AAJ1. And then other erratas were mentioned.Intel just talked about the AAJ1 erratum.
SPEC CLARIFICATION AAJ1 was initially added due to an issue on the Intel® Core 2 Duo processor which was previously corrected with a BIOS update; this issue does not impact the Nehalem Family of CPUs. There are errata on the Intel® Core i7 processor that relate to the TLB. These all relate to improper translations or error reporting, and all of those that impact functionality have been fixed via BIOS updates prior to Core i7 launch.
You can count: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdfGuess how many TLB "issus" are still on 65nm C2 or X2.
It has 42 erratums. The Shanghai/Deneb has less.
So, the i7 has exactly 77 erratums. Ohh man...maybe that is the source of the brand i7.
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reading comprehension dude... i said TLB isuss, not erratas, also Core 2 Duo and Athlon X2.You can count: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdf
It has 42 erratums. The Shanghai/Deneb has less.
So, the i7 has exactly 77 erratums. Ohh man...maybe that is the source of the brand i7.
Whoa, epic. Nice findYou can count: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdf
It has 42 erratums. The Shanghai/Deneb has less.
So, the i7 has exactly 77 erratums. Ohh man...maybe that is the source of the brand i7.
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Good find!!! If I was you I would send every errata on Ci7 I find to FUDZILLA so that he can make an article on it
You can count: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdf
It has 42 erratums. The Shanghai/Deneb has less.
So, the i7 has exactly 77 erratums. Ohh man...maybe that is the source of the brand i7.Its not entirely the same. Plus nor Intel or AMD actually list all erratas. They list what is "needed".There may be missing errata numbers. Errata that have been resolved from early revisions of
the processor have been deleted, and errata that have been reconsidered may have been
deleted or renumbered.
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How do you know that? Specification update for Shanghai wasn't released yet.
I don't get it. The Intel guy says "there is no TLB bug" and then explicitly describes an issue where corruption occurs and states that it was fixed with a BIOS update prior to launch.
...so you're saying there's a TLB bug, but it's alright since you patched it with software? That sounds familiar.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
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When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
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When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
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You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
guess we have a new magic crystal ball user.
Well simple AMD=good, Intel=bad. Silly wabbit
Just as a note: C6 state means the system is in very deep sleep. PLLs, caches etc is turned of. And system state is in main memory only.
I would claim this is a non issue until i7 laptops are released.
Last edited by Shintai; 12-02-2008 at 06:24 AM.
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Best line in the thread! Unfortunately I disagree. IMHO, I think FUD knows exactly what he's doing. I call it "Hit Phishing" or "Hit Mining". He knows sensationalism and outrageous-ness gets hits. Hits brings in the Bucks. Sure, there's enough folks hoping, wishing and praying Intel slips up to give more hits. Then there are the folks going there to argue the other side and so on. But shame on anyone calling themselves a n Xtreme-Systems Geek or Enthusiast even clicking on that site (or the other) more than once a week and then only for laughs. Folks flocking there for either Pro or Con only encourages him to continue to post such crap-tacular BS!Well, they contradict themself so often that atleast one of the 100K 2 line stories has to be true
Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.qft!
I know, but for example the AAJ59 is not a C6 state related erratum.Just as a note: C6 state means the system is sleeping. PLLs, caches etc is turned of. And system state is in main memory only.
You'll see it.
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The issue is people use overall macro generalizations for terms they dont understand. So anything with bug and TLB must mean the same as AMDs TLB bug. Tho they may not have a single bit in common besides regarding to the TLB.
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This will slowly degrade into another flame war... AMD has not published errata for Shanhai/Deneb, Barcleona had at one point over 300 errata ... the number of errata does not make or break a product. AMD removes errata entry if there is no issue or the internalize it ... the index them sequentially, the last errata entry is number 355 ... hence, a total of 355 errata were discovered since the first stepping.You can count: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdf
It has 42 erratums. The Shanghai/Deneb has less.
So, the i7 has exactly 77 erratums. Ohh man...maybe that is the source of the brand i7.
These type of problems are discovered after validation, which is pretty extensive from the commentary Torvals suggests. This is just a bunch of hay over nothing.
Last edited by JumpingJack; 12-02-2008 at 06:48 AM.
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QFT!Well simple AMD=good, Intel=bad. Silly wabbit
Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
The point in question was a spec clarification, this is not a bug ... the errata list other bugs that are either benign or have been addressed with microcode updates. ... not terribly difficult to understand.
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What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
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Barcelona could of just had 1 errata, TLB bug, and C2 could of had 100s but still barcelona's was a show stopper and that's the difference. Point being that you can't just count errata and say this process/arch is better then the other one it just doesn't work that way.You can count: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdf
It has 42 erratums. The Shanghai/Deneb has less.
So, the i7 has exactly 77 erratums. Ohh man...maybe that is the source of the brand i7.
Last edited by qurious63ss; 12-02-2008 at 06:42 AM.
Well it's apparent they shared a major thing in common. Data corruption and system hangs.
Yes seems that the barcelona and c2 TLB bug could of caused the same issues. Why it wasn't a big deal on C2 I really don't know maybe no one uses virtual on c2 but again they have not found a TLB bug on nehalem. As jack already mentions this is a spec clarification for something that was found on C2 and already fixed.
Wow, you have predicted the future, it's already happening.
qurious63ss, I don't think you understand the difference between "showstopper bug" and errata... if Intel's CPU are buggy people *will* notice and they *will* have to recall or replace their CPUs the way AMD did.
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