AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[Jacky]

We don't want to be unfair to AMD, so how about a Shanghai/Deneb review thread? For now it's a Shanghai only thread though, because Deneb has not launched officially.
Thus most reviews focus on server and workstation performance (don't waste your time looking for games). Feel free to add articles.

Shanghai
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15905 workstation and server testing
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3456 Shanghai DB testing
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=528 Linpack: Shanghai vs Nehalem (desktop) #1
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=529 Linpack: Shanghai vs Nehalem (desktop) vs Xeon #2
http://www.tecchannel.de/server/proz...ai/index4.html Very reliable review with a mix of server/hpc/workstation apps, but in German.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/com...-484339/review first hit on google
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._server_arena/ Dutch review featuring FlamMap FSPRO, Sunguard, mysql benchmarks, rendering & more
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/236172/ very brief "review"

Other results (SpecCPU, virtualization, TPC-C, etc) + discussion
http://realworldtech.com/forums/inde...94450&roomid=2
http://realworldtech.com/forums/inde...94430&roomid=2

Deneb aka Phenom II
Reviews:
http://translate.google.com/translat...php%3Ft%3D3189 Review by hwbox.gr (English translation)
and the rest adapted from this review thread:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ph...0-review-test/
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16147
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16757
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/ind...=667&Itemid=27
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2338338,00.asp
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...phenom-ii.html
http://hothardware.com/Articles/Ente...nom-II-X4-940/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-940,2114.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/1
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...0_performance/
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1460
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...amd_phenom_ii/
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=802
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/860/1/
http://www.dinoxpc.com/Tests/articol...dex.asp?id=866
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/revie...40Black/p1.asp

Previews:
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/test...nom_ii_x4.html some games tested with a "simulated" Deneb (Opteron 2384)
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont...58&pageid=3151 Sneakpeak at an early engineering sample
Take those with a big grain of salt, I don't know how credible they are:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asroc..._X4-info-1.htm Phenom II X4 940 vs. the QX 9770 vs. the Core i7 965

[Ghostbuster]

The TechReport review is nice... Good points for comparison.

[ryboto]

Thanks for gathering all the available information. Appreciate it!

[tiborrr]

Great news, fine reading. Thanks!

[informal]

Jacky the numbers from Belissimo's thread are from hardware.info website.They did a review(well kind of a review) here:
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._server_arena/

[Ghostbuster]

LINPACK: Nehalem vs Shanghai part 2 => http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=529

[qurious63ss]

LINPACK: Nehalem vs Shanghai part 2 => http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=529

Not sure if that qualifies as a review. This is a desktop part compared to a server part.

[informal]

Shanghai hangs in there pretty good.Even though desktop Core i7 has clear memory subsystem advantage(regular DDR3) ,it is 8% faster than server based on Shanghai with registered DDR2-800 ram.HT is off since it hurts perf. in this test.
On the other hand,in this test,even with newer math labs,Shanghai is approx. ~16% faster than Harpertown,per clock.

[Macadamia]

Not sure if that qualifies as a review. This is a desktop part compared to a server part.

Which makes Phenom II look even better, since as a single quadcore chip Shanghai has no possible performance advantages vs Deneb.

And they also compared a Xeon later on.

[Particle]

Shanghais are on a slower HT link with slower memory than the desktop counterparts. As Maca said, things look even more rosey for Deneb.

[qurious63ss]

I think that people are trying too extrapolate how a deneb will perform based on shanghai and how nehalem-ep will perfrom based on ci7 is getting a bit carried away. Yes they are technically the same architecture but there are subtle differences that make this guessing game a bit of crap shoot.

[Jacky]

Jacky the numbers from Belissimo's thread are from hardware.info website.They did a review(well kind of a review) here:
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._server_arena/

changed/added

Not sure if that qualifies as a review. This is a desktop part compared to a server part.

We need to be glad to have any numbers at the moment, but I'm aware of the controversy.

[Jazzman]

Don't ask me to explain or defend it but the following quote seems right to me in explaining, in general, the difference between Intel & AMD quad cores. Techreport.com

The Opteron does best when it's able to take advantage of its superior system architecture and native quad-core design, and it suffers most by comparison in applications that are more purely compute-bound, where the Xeons generally have both the IPC and clock frequency edge.

[Chad Boga]

Don't ask me to explain or defend it but the following quote seems right to me in explaining, in general, the difference between Intel & AMD quad cores. Techreport.com

Nehalem of course changes all that.

[informal]

@Jacky

Thanks to our friend justapost who provided the link,we have a "simulated" Deneb from a Shanghai server running a GTX280 card.It's using slower HT standard and slower ECC CL6 DDR2-800 ram that apparently ran at 667Mhz ,but nonetheless it's better than nothing .
English version:http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/test...nom_ii_x4.html
German(with an update on memory subsystem) : http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/test...nom_ii_x4.html

[Rammsteiner]

Very nice test, but Im pretty sure that low speed ECC RAM is crippling stuff quite a bit, but it gives a guideline of what to expext at least

Unless I missed it, how high was the NB clocked? Think Shanghai NB's ran at 2Ghz already but not sure

[informal]

It should be 2.2Ghz AFAIK,at least on the 2384(2.7Ghz) model. The chipset is ancient though and we don't know if CPU tweak was on or off(CnQ was off right?).
And yeah,that slow a** ram was kinda killjoy,but interesting numbers indeed .

[Rammsteiner]

It should be 2.2Ghz AFAIK,at least on the 2384(2.7Ghz) model. The chipset is ancient though and we don't know if CPU tweak was on or off(CnQ was off right?).
And yeah,that slow a** ram was kinda killjoy,but interesting numbers indeed .

2.2Ghz? But wouldnt that mean that Phenom II BE's run that too? I dont know why I dont know this, but well

[informal]

Well we don't know .NB clocks are missing from online shops' specs.The NB clock can be even higher than that,but i would say it's a safe bet that 920/940 run NB at 2.2GHz.

[Rammsteiner]

Did a quick google, unless the site is wrong it seems like Ph II 940 is 2Ghz NB

[informal]

Nah i don't think it will be 2Ghz.Deneb will probably have the same NB clocks as Shanghai. 2384 part definitely has 2.2Ghz NB,so i guess both 920 and 940 will mirror that(the clue could be the rated TDP).

[Ghostbuster]

As for the Denebs, you could add these early ones...

http://www.itocp.com/thread-12164-1-3.html (possible early buggy Deneb sample)

http://www.itocp.com/thread-11603-1-3.html

[informal]

As for the Denebs, you could add these early ones...

http://www.itocp.com/thread-12164-1-3.html (possible early buggy Deneb sample)

http://www.itocp.com/thread-11603-1-3.html

We discussed those ages ago and they are covered by hardspell link(same chip practically!).

[GAR]

I want to see some gaming results for denab, compared to core i7

[Macadamia]

Nah i don't think it will be 2Ghz.Deneb will probably have the same NB clocks as Shanghai. 2384 part definitely has 2.2Ghz NB,so i guess both 920 and 940 will mirror that(the clue could be the rated TDP).

2.7Ghz Shanghai uses a lot below the 95W 2.3Ghz Barcelona, about 10W less.

Deneb's NB/L3 should be faster.