Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09

[Zucker2k]

Am I the only one who thinks his quote "AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip." IS funny? He says AMD MAY have disabled some sensors, we don't know which ones, but we're going to disable them on our chip too. Now how can you disable the same sensors when you don't know what they are? So going on assumptions, we all know what happen when you assume, INTEL admitted to using production parts for their test yet they are going make them not production by disabling this and that. So what's the point of saying they are doing the test on hardware we'll be able to get?

It has been pointed out the news was fabricated.

[flippin_waffles]

Hey Francois, have you got any proof, or shall we just take your's and Fugger's word for it. If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that without proof, that sort of thing doesn't fly around here. Anway, i'm sure you do, so this is a non issue!

Oh, and how were the LN2 results? I know that is the main part of your original objections and cheating accusations, so i'm looking forward to those too. Thanks!

[flippin_waffles]

It has been pointed out the news was fabricated.

That was unequivocally NOT fabricated.

[Ghostbuster]

OT
Ghostbuster "Talking" with you is a perfect example on how it is on HardOCP, thats the reason why the AMD section is almost dead there

You are an example of why its hard for anyone to talk to you and discuss properly. Even Kyle and the rest got fed up with your endless nonsense, over-bias and going-in-circles.

#include <stdio.h>
#define failure  1
#define gosh failure

main()
{
while(gosh) printf("FAIL!");
}

// I'll be back with a multi-threaded version..

[Zucker2k]

That was unequivocally NOT fabricated.

Proof/Source?

[Clairvoyant129]

Gosh is about to kill himself because C2Qs are faster than Phenoms.

FSB is bottleneck? C2Qs are fake quad cores?

Calm down and stop making up BS.

[Drwho?]

Haha, you beat me to it!

Edit: Sigged!

Just make sure you don t use an unknow benchmark, use something famous ... something that both side can agree on.

[demonkevy666]

Gosh is about to kill himself because C2Qs are faster than Phenoms.

FSB is bottleneck? C2Qs are fake quad cores?

Calm down and stop making up BS.

just a cheap MCM quad,

those bottlenecks show up in servers with memory and multi socket, setups.

[gosh]

You are an example of why its hard for anyone to talk to you and discuss properly. Even Kyle and the rest got fed up with your endless nonsense, over-bias and going-in-circles.

#include <stdio.h>
#define failure  1
#define gosh failure

main()
{
while(gosh) printf("FAIL!");
}

// I'll be back with a multi-threaded version..

Mature respons...

If I am going to create a lib (dll) that reads XML data (very common format), then this lib could be used by others. WIN32 have only basic windows functionality if you didn't know that. Taking advantage of threads may speed up the my lib. The user of the lib that I have done don't need to know how it works internally. I could release code that others add to their software (boost, MFC, wxWidgets etc are sample of this for C++ programmers) that is using threads internally for specific tasks.
Most applications can run on 1 GHz single core processors. But if you are running some applications that sometimes need speed even if they at 99% of the time sits and wait for user commands, those applications isn't going to be threaded today.

Do you understand what I am saying?

[Clairvoyant129]

just a cheap MCM quad,

those bottlenecks show up in servers with memory and multi socket, setups.

A cheap MCM quad thats 20% faster than Phenoms clock for clock.

The bandwidth provided by FSB is more than enough for desktop applications and we are talking about desktop applications not server.

[demonkevy666]

A cheap MCM quad thats 20% faster than Phenoms clock for clock.

The bandwidth provided by FSB is more than enough for desktop applications and we are talking about desktop applications not server.

No max is 15%, average is 7-10%. clocks speeds help that number get bigger.

I'm just pointing out facts the desktops wouldn't show it.

[Hornet331]

You are an example of why its hard for anyone to talk to you and discuss properly. Even Kyle and the rest got fed up with your endless nonsense, over-bias and going-in-circles.

#include <stdio.h>
#define failure  1
#define gosh failure

main()
{
while(gosh) printf("FAIL!");
}

// I'll be back with a multi-threaded version..

we already had the same discussion draged over 21 pages.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197423

forget about arguing with him, even when confronted with hard facts he
a) plays dump
b) ignores the data and brings up a new point, which had nothing to do with the current discussion.

[STaRGaZeR]

Yes, stop feeding the troll already.

[Drwho?]

I ll follow MovieMan advise and leave this thread, it is a fan boy discussion, not interesting. (and the original claim of this thread was not accurate)

[taurus_sel]

Fugger and I did meet for 2 days, and we were playing with this fantastic set of processors, over thanks giving day, and the day before.

We had a lot of fun , getting to 5.0Ghz air cool WAS AND IS amazing, now, we did not speak about going to CES VEGAS to do an overclocking demo. The news was fabricated. Clear enough?

And by the way, If I was not a passionated crazy engineer, I would not have done this over thanks giving. I did not have time to do this over my working days, so, i used my day OFF of thanks Giving to get to Vegas and OC with one of the best OC master. If people can not understand that, they have fanboy blindfolding symdrome.

now, I am one of the 2 who did run at 5.0Ghz air cool Core i7!

Can we stop this FanBoy crap and have some fun competiting nicely?
If somebady think AMD is back, get a part, OC it to death, and less run the XtremeSystem set of Benchmarks, and see!

Fugger and I had a lot of fun, beat us if you can

OKay so first you say:
"I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it."

And now you admit to going to Vegas and doing it with Charles. Man this is pathetic. Dude do you realize you are contradicting yourself over and over again. And as for the benchmarks, yipee, it ran 5.7GHz stable for 9 seconds running superpi. Awesome!

The last statement is just classic, "beat us if you can". Why don't you hand out some of those cherry samples and watch some of the real OCers here hand you your ass. Or are you challenging others to beat you with ty production parts?

[SoF]

Can we stop this FanBoy crap and have some fun competiting nicely?
If somebady think AMD is back, get a part, OC it to death, and less run the XtremeSystem set of Benchmarks, and see!

Fugger and I had a lot of fun, beat us if you can

I think this is what we should do BUT in Germany a lot of guys are complaining you will never find a retail i7 chip doing that. I think that's more the problem of the things you just showed. it is simply a 1:100.000 chance beeing able to reproduce that and I think only few overclocks had this kind of "cherry-picking" until now. 1:100 or even 1:1000 is fine for me but I think these results are based of something far behind. correct me if I'm wrong of course
And if it comes out AMD's chip in the demonstration short before is the same they will have a lot of guys complaining as well.
I say we should not make overclocking based on such cherry picked pieces, even it is fun to see. We should still compare retail chips with each other...

[Hornet331]

OKay so first you say:
"I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it."

And now you admit to going to Vegas and doing it with Charles. Man this is pathetic. Dude do you realize you are contradicting yourself over and over again. And as for the benchmarks, yipee, it ran 5.7GHz stable for 9 seconds running superpi. Awesome!

The last statement is just classic, "beat us if you can". Why don't you hand out some of those cherry samples and watch some of the real OCers here hand you your ass. Or are you challenging others to beat you with ty production parts?

lol wth?

care to read what he posted?

[Drwho?]

OKay so first you say:
"I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it."

And now you admit to going to Vegas and doing it with Charles. Man this is pathetic. Dude do you realize you are contradicting yourself over and over again. And as for the benchmarks, yipee, it ran 5.7GHz stable for 9 seconds running superpi. Awesome!

The last statement is just classic, "beat us if you can". Why don't you hand out some of those cherry samples and watch some of the real OCers here hand you your ass. Or are you challenging others to beat you with ty production parts?

you are correct! Manufacturer demos are not be use, I warned about it. Why do you keep trying to find something wrong?

I stop answering, it is turning to ridiculous.

[gallag]

OKay so first you say:
"I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it."

And now you admit to going to Vegas and doing it with Charles. Man this is pathetic. Dude do you realize you are contradicting yourself over and over again. And as for the benchmarks, yipee, it ran 5.7GHz stable for 9 seconds running superpi. Awesome!

The last statement is just classic, "beat us if you can". Why don't you hand out some of those cherry samples and watch some of the real OCers here hand you your ass. Or are you challenging others to beat you with ty production parts?

Plane ignorant. Did this guy run over your cat or something? Why so hostile.

[Jazzman]

Did the Fugger chip have the same stepping as retail? We know it was cherry-picked but was it out of a production run or was it a special engineering sample? I am not implying that AMD's demo didn't do the same....

I think we will only get good comparisons when members can test retail samples without company involvement. Otherwise, we will continue to go round and round about details of the testing.

[Drwho?]

Did the Fugger chip have the same stepping as retail? We know it was cherry-picked but was it out of a production run or was it a special engineering sample? I am not implying that AMD's demo didn't do the same....

I think we will only get good comparisons when members can test retail samples without company involvement. Otherwise, we will continue to go round and round about details of the testing.

That is the entire point i was trying to make, you will know when you got the chip in the store, manufacturer demos are not what people should pay attention to, Manufacturer demos are fun, but it is not very meaning full.

The good news is that those chip exist, and they are going to stores

[YukonTrooper]

Competition needs rules and fair play.
Don't think this is about competition, it's about trying to hurt the release of deneb.

This is business and this is marketing. Companies in every market do this stuff. You make it sound like AMD is some hurt little animal that should get a free lunch. Competition does need some rules, but certainly none are being broken here.

[Zucker2k]

OKay so first you say:
"I need the community to understand that Manufacturer demo is kind of not appropriate for OC, it is why i always let Charles and Co to do it."

And now you admit to going to Vegas and doing it with Charles. Man this is pathetic. Dude do you realize you are contradicting yourself over and over again. And as for the benchmarks, yipee, it ran 5.7GHz stable for 9 seconds running superpi. Awesome!

The last statement is just classic, "beat us if you can". Why don't you hand out some of those cherry samples and watch some of the real OCers here hand you your ass. Or are you challenging others to beat you with ty production parts?

I want some of what you're smoking dude, you're actually making his case and attacking his actions at the same time. It's ridiculous. Read Francois' statement you quoted again, and tell me it's not exactly what he accomplished. LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:

INTEL COULD HAVE DEMO'ED A 5GHZ (AIR) HEHALEM IN SEPTEMBER. DO YOU DOUBT THAT?

[Leeghoofd]

I think this is what we should do BUT in Germany a lot of guys are complaining you will never find a retail i7 chip doing that. I think that's more the problem of the things you just showed. it is simply a 1:100.000 chance beeing able to reproduce that and I think only few overclocks had this kind of "cherry-picking" until now. 1:100 or even 1:1000 is fine for me but I think these results are based of something far behind. correct me if I'm wrong of course
And if it comes out AMD's chip in the demonstration short before is the same they will have a lot of guys complaining as well.
I say we should not make overclocking based on such cherry picked pieces, even it is fun to see. We should still compare retail chips with each other...

Well indeed good point, we still have to compare what the big crowd finds in the shops... I seem to recall a Phenom on air at 3ghz on display, while still most peeps can hardly hit that with better cooling then that crappy stock cooler used then... And now many peeps are reversing this back on Intel because Dr WHO is suspicious about the results being leaked... And the fact that he told us something about cherry picking...
C'mon guys this is somehow part of marketing...Just use plain logic here : if you are aware that the competition in the boot next to you can produce big numbers, would you just open a boxed CPU and let her rip... no way you want to equal that or better that.

That's what makes PC's fun , the competition and rivalry makes these rigs faster and faster... sometimes at a pace that my wallet absolutley not can dig lol

It's nice to see the big shots fight it out. But you, me and him will get good CPU's, but the luck to get one of these is pretty low... no matter if the prices evolve in the right manner we will have plenty of power to mess with even if it's an AMD or Intel product...

I'll await real numbers done on watercooling or so by the masses... 4Ghz and more on an I7 for folding seems to be amasing to me...

Bring it on !!!
Like said before 2009 might be very interesting with new CPU's and GPU's being released with promises of big leaps in performance

[mongoled]

That is the entire point i was trying to make, you will know when you got the chip in the store, manufacturer demos are not what people should pay attention to, Manufacturer demos are fun, but it is not very meaning full.

The good news is that those chip exist, and they are going to stores

Im sorry for the pessimism Francois, but this is not the case from the evidence we have seen on the Internet regarding i7 clocks.

I dont know if it is the board that Charles was using that is making the difference, but many extremely talented peeps in the overclocking communities have been playing with i7 CPU's yet NONE OF THEM have even come close to the results yourself and Charles have shown.

I think this is peeps main concern.

Provide a reason why this is so, and peeps may well feel more relaxed....