Well it's nice to see that the man who's been running Intel since '86 takes his cues from Theo. So in truth I guess you didn't really know.
Openess and Olympic spirit eh? Let's see how open and how honest you really are. Why don't you answer these questions for us peons.
Why is everyone else killing themselves trying to get to 5 GHz with core i7 with LN2 and phase but you've done it on air?
Why is Fugger the only person to clear 5 GHz on a core i7?
Tell me where I can buy a core i7 that does 5GHz on air today?
Waiting to hear some honest answers from someone who is so open and fair. One thing is for sure, we don't know how well Phenom II will run (yet) when it's released and that's a given. But we do know in general how core i7s run based on results from this forum and no one that I've seen has gotten 5GHz on air. So yeah you might have your statistic freak and that's all good. I don't really care for that because I can't buy it.
I can completely understand Dr.Who wanting intel to come out on top at all costs and anyone else that has a finacial interest in Intel. But for the rest of us it makes no sence to want AMD to stay at the bottom like allot of you seem to (I personaly think that its due to people having Intel CPU's in there PC and dont want to lose the satisfaction of having the best performing CPU, bit of an ego thing). AMD needs to make money in order to stay competitive, and we all need them to be competitive to keep the prices down.........also all of us here get turned on by Hardware performance increasing. We want to see advances and a side effect of that is our ubber fast hardware becomes not so ubber fast anymore, Its inevitable. If AMD were to come out on top with PH2 then we will all be wanting one and if Intel is on top we will all want one so what is the diffrence?
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You guys are cracking me up Well, this thread needs some humor. Everyone just needs to relax. I for one, I'm having a blast. Maybe AMD would mount a challenge? I doubt it though, because they cannot afford to challenge Intel at clockspeed right now. AMD shot themselves in the foot with that demo, imho.
Edit: To the two posters, the counter argument can be made to what you're saying. DrWho has proven his point - that a cherry picked (forget disabled sensors) cpu can do amazing things. The fact is, if these weren't cherry picked, they'll have ended up in some home user's computer. Just imagine how many goldn chips are sitting inside PCs whose owners know nothing about overclocking? Francois, or Intel for that matter, NEVER promised anyone they could take their chips to 5Ghz on air. AMD WILL NEVER promise anyone they can take their chips to 4ghz on air. Yet they found time to invite a handpicked group and demonstrated high clock ocs for them. WHY? Why don't one of you tell me WHY bother to run such high clocks if you can't promise the consumer same clocks. The answer is: they do it for us, us enthusiasts. I for one, I'm very grateful and it doesn't matter if its AMD or Intel.
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I'll admit man.. I'm the Bald Eagle who mates for life, and my wife (AMD) has been a biatch for the last few years... But I still love her and she's giving it up again, so things are getting better.
On that note, I'm not so sure you are the typical Henpecked Intel Hubby (from what I've seen in here). You might just be a slut dude!!
It don't make ya bad.... Just a little annoying...
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7GHz? Dream on. Disabling sensors and playing games is meaningless, and the mere fact that 7GHz hasn't been achieved since the P4 days (or did Wolfdale finally hit 7GHz?) does not bode well for Nehalem hitting 7GHz. I understand Francois is an insecure little man and is awfully threatened by AMD, but this is a pure waste of time and money if true.
Omastar maybe you didnt get the memo. This is AMD marketing, I have no details to what they want to do for CES or if it is even true.
I also heard AMD could do Crysis at 6.3Ghz on air and it was true. I also heard they all do that speed, confirmed fact.
Its all about hype, for me its about results. It became known that Intel was visiting and what they were bringing, add a little marketing spice and we have guys saying the stupidest things.
Francois is not little or insecure, insulting comments to anyone is frowned upon here.
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I was hoping it wouldn't come to that. I'm in no way questioning it either, just hoping it wouldn't. I wish folks would get the fun attitude back. This is FUN. Everybody should be having fun with these things. The Olympic spirit should be high right now. Fugger did an amazing feat this weekend. That is a good thing.
Still not sure what to think about this one, half that news writeup is about me and this demo I have no clue about...Plans Demonstration at CES '09
I had just woke up when I first read it and thought AMD was doing some demo at CES.
The scale could could be counted without using your toes.The scale of binning could well be best of 100,000 units.
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They are now writing about people without even contacting them. What in the world is going on?
No clue, thats what I am wondering.
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I can't help it. Maybe somebody will let you in on it.
This is quite disturbing. Could it be fabricated news?
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