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    X2 cards weren't designed to just save space over 4......

    I'm not to keen on the technical portion of it but lets put it in laman terms, the shortest distance betweeen 2 points is a straight line.

    If the distance between both GPU chips is shorter on X2 versus 2 cards there will be a performance boost, we see this in benchmarks already.

    Shorter paths, less resistance = gain.

    They implement the same philosophy on reference boards. Grouper, manta and the 790gx amd reference boards all had the PCI X at the very top slot almost touching the NB and the NB was oriented very close to the CPU. It's done intentionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chew* View Post
    X2 cards weren't designed to just save space over 4......

    I'm not to keen on the technical portion of it but lets put it in laman terms, the shortest distance betweeen 2 points is a straight line.

    If the distance between both GPU chips is shorter on X2 versus 2 cards there will be a performance boost, we see this in benchmarks already.

    Shorter paths, less resistance = gain.

    They implement the same philosophy on reference boards. Grouper, manta and the 790gx amd reference boards all had the PCI X at the very top slot almost touching the NB and the NB was oriented very close to the CPU. It's done intentionally.
    I didn't even think of that. well also isn't it cheaper to make since it's one PCB,
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    Quote Originally Posted by chew* View Post
    Shorter paths, less resistance = gain.
    Resistance is hardly the effect.

    Shorter paths = less delay = possibly higher frequencies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostbuster View Post
    Resistance is hardly the effect.

    Shorter paths = less delay = possibly higher frequencies
    thx was under the impression that that the longer a single path is however there is more resistance. Just as with anything a .001mm copper strand has less resistance than a .002mm copper strand just the same longer strands work on the same principle or maybe i have it backwards?

    Like i said I'm not to keen on it, but i understand why it works.

    Yes its cheaper also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chew* View Post

    If the distance between both GPU chips is shorter on X2 versus 2 cards there will be a performance boost, we see this in benchmarks already.

    Shorter paths, less resistance = gain.
    To the best of my understanding, the issue is not electrical resistance, the issue is capacitive reactance between data lines. Crosstalk between data lines on a pcb, is a function of distance between data lines, length of data lines, and the frequency of the data lines. While keeping the data line trace at a fixed width, cross talk will then be a function of length and frequency. In decreasing the length of the data run by co-locating two GPUs on a single card, one can increase the data rate (frequency) between both GPUs before crosstalk becomes a factor, thus failure. In all serious, at the very high frequencies of data transmission in todays PCs, mere millimeters make a difference.

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