Phenom II 6 GHz+ OVERCLOCK

[Particle]

So how sure are we that 1.5V on AMD's 45nm process isn't a big deal? That opens a lot of options.

[w0mbat]

So how sure are we that 1.5V on AMD's 45nm process isn't a big deal? That opens a lot of options.

If deneb runs 1.35v @ default 1.5v is no big deal, for shure.

[informal]

If deneb runs 1.35v @ default 1.5v is no big deal, for shure.

Exactly,Phenom IIs use relatively high stock vids while maintaining excellent power draw,ie. a lot less then Agena.I would dare say that even if rated at 125W TDP, the 940@3Ghz will consume around ~100W or even less in full laod on 4 cores under prime.Overvolting it to even 1.6V under a good air cooler or wc will be 18% over stock vcore(power draw will rise 39% over stock without touching frequency,a bit more with frequency change,but this is understandable and just in line with physics laws).

[Jazzman]

So how sure are we that 1.5V on AMD's 45nm process isn't a big deal? That opens a lot of options.

How about 32C on air @ 3.9Ghz? It's the low current leakage in the new Phenom II transistor design. Compared to i7 heat at 3.8Ghz, you can see the advantages for ocing a Phenom II. Not to imply that Phenom II is better in design to i7, it just seems to run cooler.

All systems,apart the 6Ghz,were apparently stable and were running Crysis game code with no problems or stability issues.The temperatures of the air cooled chip was really great(low),standing at 32 degrees C.This proves chip is very good at handling high volts and handles heat very well.

The people who were present at the demo were from: legit reviews,techreport,AMDzone,pcper,hothardware,fudzi lla.If anyone else knows more please post.

[gallag]

How about 32C on air @ 3.9Ghz

Is that load temp?

[Jazzman]

Is that load temp?

The data came from Informal - see quote after my statement. I believe the 32C was achieved during the Crysis loop but it could very well be idle. My 3.2Ghz Phenom I idles at 29C underwater, but it has much higher current leakage than 45nm Phenom II. (my cpu vid is 1.39 compared to the Phenom II 1.5!!!)

[Daveburt714]

Does anyone know if this is the 1st AMD chip made using Immersion Lithography? (too lazy to look it up.. )

I had high hopes for that process when I first read about it.
If that's the case it looks like my hopes were justified...

[demonkevy666]

Does anyone know if this is the 1st AMD chip made using Immersion Lithography? (too lazy to look it up.. )

I had high hopes for that process when I first read about it.
If that's the case it looks like my hopes were justified...

it was stated in one that 45nm pfd ....see quote below for details

here is a PDf of 45nm...the do mention of High-k down the road, and I believe it might be on 45nm AM3..which might be why the FX might be back...any thoughts..

[Daveburt714]

it was stated in one that 45nm pfd ....see quote below for details

Thanks for the Link..

Computers are my hobby, but I work in the printing industry so I have a pretty decent understanding of lithography (albiet not at those scales ).

I had the feeling when I first read about this technique that the higher resolution could only benefit the process....

[Movieman]

I'd like to comment as my name has been brought up in this discussion.
First of all i want to say for the hundredth time that I have always been in favor of two strong companies.
The last thing any of us need to see is a monopoly in this field.
Two strong companies not only benefit us but benefit society in general as they force each other to innovate and push the boundaries.

Second, my conversations with Dr.Who? (Francois Piednoel)
Imagine for a minute that for the last 4 years you've worked with nothing but Intel systems with their very limited settings in BIOS and suddenly your looking at a bios with numerous settings and names that mean absolutely nothing to you. Seriously, imagine that for a minute.
Now the system isn't out in retail so there's very little info available for it so what do you do?
I saw a resource here at the forum for that info and I asked.
These weren't long drawn out conversations but a few PM's.
He didn't say to me" Dave, here's the magic settings that will make you famous" but just a short explanation to get me on the right track.
From there it was 3 very long days to understand the workings of each setting in relation to the others.
Try this,bluescreen, back off then try that,bluescreen, then try another area.
Not rocket science but just 60 hours of testing over 3 days.
Why did I spend so much time on this?
I felt an obligation to show what this system could do in the hands of the "average guy"
I knew there would be threads by guys like FUGGER showing huge numbers with xtreme cooling but I wanted to show what it would do for the vast majority of guys like myself who do air cooling.

I haven't benched in years as my passion is in the DC area not into the fastest speeds possible but the fastest speeds possible for sustained 24/7 100% load.
I look for what system does the most work in the least amount of time and thats all I care about.
Yes, to make the thread I did run superpi as it is a valid measurement of computational power when comparing one like system against another and also, it's a fast bench that doesn't take a lot of time.
I also ran Cinebench10 for the same reason.
Last I ran the two main DC apps that people do on this forum;WCG and Folding at Home.
This wasn't a "cherry picked" system to the best of my knowledge but an Intel press kit and unless all of the Press kits were "cherry picked" mine should be the same as what people can buy.
I'd like to comment on Francois Piedenoel also.
What some miss here is that although he is an Intel employee and his loyalties are with them he is also like many of us.
He's a gamer, a guy that does DC work like myself, and a hardware junky from what I see.
He's also a decent guy, one you'd like to sit down and have a few drinks with.
Usually with people at his level of the business world you see an ego and condescending attitude but what I saw was just a guy that loved the hobby as we do but also had the "dream job" for someone that loves the hobby.

I'd like to comment to the comments made on the AMD zone in the screen shot below.

No one buys me ever. I have friends here but no one has ever approached me asking me to shade my feelings on any issue.
I speak my mind as I see things and I imagine there are times when some would wish I shut my mouth.
I try and look right down the middle when moderating no matter what the issue is. The only thing I am a stickler on is civility to each other.
My one flaw if you wish to call it that is that even at age 56 I still have passions. That feeling of wonder one experiences such as when you saw the Grand Canyon for the first time or your first love and I think some have misinterpreted those passions for me being "bought"

My last feeling on this thread is that when will people get beyond this constant AMD vs Intel rivalry?
They are companies that exist to make a profit and that is their main goal.
To "love" one and hate the other is so ridiculous as to be laughable.
They will each have their time to shine and also their time when they don't.
It is that simple and if I can see that I wonder why some can not.
Take the best that each can offer and if you prefer one over the other thats fine but don't let that feeling grow into an obsession and rule your emotions.
Thanks for reading.

[MrMojoZ]

Take the best that each can offer and if you prefer one over the other thats fine but don't let that feeling grow into an obsession and rule your emotions.
Thanks for reading.

I certainly agree with this. This is the reason why I stay out of forums and threads about products I dislike and wish others could do the same.

[villa1n]

My last feeling on this thread is that when will people get beyond this constant AMD vs Intel rivalry?
They are companies that exist to make a profit and that is their main goal.
To "love" one and hate the other is so ridiculous as to be laughable.
They will each have their time to shine and also their time when they don't.
It is that simple and if I can see that I wonder why some can not.
Take the best that each can offer and if you prefer one over the other thats fine but don't let that feeling grow into an obsession and rule your emotions.
Thanks for reading.

Well said. Lets hope the thread comes back to the OC and less about peoples day jobs for intel :P

[gallag]

The data came from Informal - see quote after my statement. I believe the 32C was achieved during the Crysis loop but it could very well be idle. My 3.2Ghz Phenom I idles at 29C underwater, but it has much higher current leakage than 45nm Phenom II. (my cpu vid is 1.39 compared to the Phenom II 1.5!!!)

I honestly do not buy it, no way it will load at 32c that would be mega, I dont even think that AMD OR intel will get those kind of results on 32nm, Unless they where testing at Santa's house with the windows open.

[Rammsteiner]

I honestly do not buy it, no way it will load at 32c that would be mega, I dont even think that AMD OR intel will get those kind of results on 32nm, Unless they where testing at Santa's house with the windows open.

But hey doesnt excist