Quote Originally Posted by charged3800z24 View Post
Like I said, feel free to speculate, but brings facts to why, besides that "it is just a die shrink" If there is proof that nothing else they have done from one process to the next is not enough to aid in any general boost then lay it out. We can discuss it. There are still soem of us wiling to do this and speculate some more till results hit the net..
No one without direct access to Deneb results knows whether the IPC improvements will come in at the high end or low end of expectations, so I can't see any reason for why one view should be hailed and the other condemned.

As I have already stated, I hope that the people believing the high end improvements come about are right, but I have expressed why I suspect they won't be.

The reason for this is at least the following:

1. I am not convinced that the improvements to the core will be that much more significant than is usually the case when a core gets a shrink and cache added.

Yes AMD have stated that they are going to tidy some things up, but do you really think that doesn't happen with other shrinks?

2. What has been the best IPC improvement we have seen from a combined shrink, cache increase and problem fixes we have seen in the last 15 years?

No one has been able to come up with another time where from what Deneb will be going through, IPC has increased to the extent AMD are claiming.