Deneb just around the corner?

[m411b]

I think most are going to be surprised with Deneb. Everyone, even the guys who think it is going to be outstanding. AMD has learned their lesson with Barcalona and I am sure they will not let it happen again.

[Chad Boga]

I think most are going to be surprised with Deneb. Everyone, even the guys who think it is going to be outstanding. AMD has learned their lesson with Barcalona and I am sure they will not let it happen again.

You do realise Deneb isn't a new architecture, don't you?

[m411b]

You do realise Deneb isn't a new architecture, don't you?

You do realize that Deneb has not been released yet, dont you?

[Chad Boga]

You do realize that Deneb has not been released yet, dont you?

So you do hold irrational hopes for Deneb and are unaware that it isn't a new architecture?

It not being released is irrelevant and in fact saves you from disappointment that will soon be yours.

[m411b]

So you do hold irrational hopes for Deneb and are unaware that it isn't a new architecture?

It not being released is irrelevant and in fact saves you from disappointment that will soon be yours.

So you are threatened and thats why you are in the AMD section starting sh|t!

[Chad Boga]

So you are threatened and thats why you are in the AMD section starting sh|t!

LOL!!! How am I threatened?

What kind of tenuous grasp on reality do you have?

Is there something particularly special about the AMD section that I need to know about?

One thing I have noticed though in this section is a number of people holding quite irrationally optimistic views on Deneb's likely prospects.

[m411b]

LOL!!! How am I threatened?

What kind of tenuous grasp on reality do you have?

Is there something particularly special about the AMD section that I need to know about?

One thing I have noticed though in this section is a number of people holding quite irrationally optimistic views on Deneb's likely prospects.

You're not worth it!
Reported for flame baiting.. Have a nice day, and thank God for the ignore function.

[charged3800z24]

So you do hold irrational hopes for Deneb and are unaware that it isn't a new architecture?

It not being released is irrelevant and in fact saves you from disappointment that will soon be yours.

You do realize that AMD as said and yes even Dirk, that there ahve been a lot of improvements along with this die shrink. It will be better the 65nm. They said on the record that it has better then expected improvements ion Power Consumtion, and other tweaks. I don't expect it to beat i7 at 8 threads LOL.. but it will be a faster chip then current Phenom's. Which is still better...it is not going to be the same or worse. and it isn't to be priced high. And it is the first 3.0ghz quad from AMD, even 3.0ghz 65nm chips compete comparable in a lot of cases, if this is faster, then it is still better and a desired change. I have AM2+ boards all over my house..so it is a direct fit, no need to spend more then a chip upgrade. Did i ramble off pace here...LOL I am tired and hungry and work is driving me crazy....

[Chad Boga]

You do realize that AMD as said and yes even Dirk, that there ahve been a lot of improvements along with this die shrink.

AMD's credibility is in tatters in respect of at least their CPU's, so I have relatively low expectations for them, hopefully they can restore my faith, I'm just not counting on it.

Sure Deneb will be better than Phenom, but I very much doubt by the 15 to 20% margins many are claiming, except in niche applications.

[soundood]

AMD's credibility is in tatters in respect of at least their CPU's, so I have relatively low expectations for them, hopefully they can restore my faith, I'm just not counting on it.

Sure Deneb will be better than Phenom, but I very much doubt by the 15 to 20% margins many are claiming, except in niche applications.

up util this point, i was sort of going along with what you were saying, this statement however is nonsense.

here is the math,

2.8 gig = current max offiical clock from AMD
3.0 - 3.2 gig = estimated speed from Deneb

= 15% to 20% increase.

considering most Phenoms will hit 3 gig now, this doesnt seem to 'out there' and some of the lucky guys like Hondaman and charged, are hitting 3.5 gig on water with current Phenoms, then.....

it isnt that much of a leap of Imagination to envisage that the new chips will hit 4 gig? is it?

for me a quad core AMD chip at 4 gig is something to shout about.

and as far as i am concerned a die shrink = new manufactueing process = new architecture, even if this resembles the same architecture as before.

its a differant chip, and no amount of 'its rubbish because' will persaude me otherwise, maybe they will listen to you over at the Intel Forums.

not here

[keithlm]

Deneb is just a shrink with some extra cache,

The "it's only a die shrink" people remind me of the movie "Life of Brian" about the Romans.

"Deneb is just a shrink. Well okay they did add some cache. Oh yeah and they also increased it to 48-way instead of 32-way. And yes they also probably optimized some of the routines in the processor. And changed cool and quiet for efficiency. Perhaps they tweaked the HT. And perhaps they worked on things we don't know about. But other than those minor things it's just a shrink so what can we expect."

[Chad Boga]

The "it's only a die shrink" people remind me of the movie "Life of Brian" about the Romans.

"Deneb is just a shrink. Well okay they did add some cache. Oh yeah and they also increased it to 48-way instead of 32-way. And yes they also probably optimized some of the routines in the processor. And changed cool and quiet for efficiency. Perhaps they tweaked the HT. And perhaps they worked on things we don't know about. But other than those minor things it's just a shrink so what can we expect."

So what is your fearless prediction for IPC improvement for Deneb over Phenom?

[keithlm]

So what is your fearless prediction for IPC improvement for Deneb over Phenom?

Why should I make one because of a request from a known Intel fanhat?

You don't appear to accept what would be a logical amount even if it was "just a shrink" as you claim; attempting to understand anything more than that might push past the limits of your abilities.

[Chad Boga]

Why should I make one because of a request from a known Intel fanhat?

You don't appear to accept what would be a logical amount even if it was "just a shrink" as you claim; attempting to understand anything more than that might push past the limits of your abilities.

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

[Glow9]

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

Face it, everyone with a supporting motherboard has a new upgrade option without having to buy a brand new motherboard and DDR3.

[Chad Boga]

Face it, everyone with a supporting motherboard has a new upgrade option without having to buy a brand new motherboard and DDR3.

Sure.

[Oliverda]

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

IPC is not everything.

One of my expert friend says that the main problem with the K10 is in the memory subsystem. So I hope they could achieve some improvements in it.

Interesting performance analysis between Core 2 and K8. http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?Ar...2808015436&p=1

[keithlm]

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

Because I do not wish to open a dialog with you I am all "bluster" and "exposed".

You do realize that you are starting to look pathetic don't you?

I can't help it if you have silly ideas, including that I must be an Intel boy.

It would be hard to review this thread and NOT come to the conclusion that you are a helpless Intel fanhat.

[keithlm]

It appears you are one of these troubled souls who can only see people as either being an eternal Intel or AMD fan, rather than just someone who will ALWAYS buy the best processor regardless of who makes it.

Actually I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I shall attempt to put this in simple words that even someone with your diminished level of intelligence can understand: If you are NOT an Intel fanboy then you are something worse; you are someone trolling only for the purpose of causing negative responses and having no other purpose.

(Which you are increasingly proving to be true with each every one of your posts.)

Oh and BTW: Welcome to my ignore list. You do not have anything to contribute... therefore begone pest.