Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
Sure the 1800 had a smidgen of better performance, but it came out like 6 months later. Thats a huge delay. When you consider all things, they were behind in technology when you look at this postponement. If you have the advantage of knowing exactly how much your performance your competition offers, you better release a faster product and not just a little bit, alot.

ATI business practices haven't been the best either like everyone is claiming them to be. Paper launches actually effect consumer. Unlike this renaming stuff that really effects no one. Delays have also been pretty bad, also their policy on factory overclocked cards, have hurt their warranty policy in the past. They were also involved in the price fixing issue. People just ignore this to bash on NV.

Really all this stuff that people bash on NV recently does not effect them. Are any of us going to be confused with the NV naming scheme. I doubt any of us are that honorable that we are worried about the retarded consumer who doesn't do any research and buys a videocard at bestbuy at the maximum price.

ATI has commited way more attrocities than NV. E.g soft launches and delays up the wazoo, are way worse than anything NV has done. You might bring up the recall on the recent NV chips, but you can say something similar of ATI for the xbox 360 fiasco. They obviously had a role in the heatsink setup of the graphic chip in the 360, as they designed the GPU for it. They should have not allowed MS to release the GPU with such a flawed cooling system. It is widely known it is the graphic chip of the 360 which causes the biggest red ring of death.

I also think the 1800--> 1900 was a kick in the pants to those who bought it. Their was only a 3 month span between the products and 1800 owners had a much less valuable card after the 1900's release.

Another big deal is the warranty problem in the past. Look at all the partners that have lifetime warranty with NV. People say wow NV was lucky to get those partners, but people fail to realize that much of this comes from NV more relaxed issue on overclocking. ATI didn't allow overclocking at one point.

I honestly think releasing the purposely releasing this shady rumour of 480 shaders was incredibly underhanded. If NV did this people would call them scum. If ATI does it, its called smart business. This site is so sour with NV hate obnoxious.

Before you call me a fanboy, I own a 4870 x2 card and a crossfire motherboard. I would even take a picture to prove it since some of you conspiracy theorist might say I don't own the card and all NV fanboys are liars.

ATI fanboys are even worse than any NV fanboy can be and the proof is in this thread. Charlie writes the worst biased tabloid trash in the hardware world. He insults, lies, insinuates and is arrogant as hell. He is a terrible writer and yet he is still praised by some of the ATI fanboys. Their is not a single writer that has the same level of NV hate and the reason for this is simple. Noone would listen to him, because NV fanboys would not tolerate such written trash and obvious bias. To those that says he is right, you got to be right when you publish so many rumors.
ok so the 7800gtx had a lead for 6 months, but how long id the x1xxx lead? 3 months with the 1800 (gtx 512 doesn't count because it was vaporware) and another 6 in 2006 with the 1900 series which were faster than the 7950gx2?

additionally x800 series launched at the same time as the 6xxx series and ati beat NV in all areas except for shader model 3 (lower power consumption, single slot, silent, better IQ and MUCH shorter PCBs)

same goes for the 9XXX series

the only failure ati had since he 8500 days (great cards too!!!) was the R600 and nv had the FX series

both delivered great parts but to claim that nv had a more or less constant lead since x800/6800 is a lie

hell even rv670X2 was faster than the 8XXX series


additionally the ati driver team got on the same level as the nv drivers are and (at least for me) CF is experiencing almost no micro stuttering after 8.7 cats (earlier ones did stutter more)

PS: who cares if older than 2005 titles aren't working with cf, you can disable it and for these games even a single 3870 is more than enough