ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[hellcamino]

How old are you, 16? You are annoying a few people already on this forum. Stop with the attitude, it does not suit xtremesystems at all; here we are more mature and reserved. I have seen you post WTF this and WTF that, continually capitalize and repeat yourself ("HEAT MONSTER' is a good example and you wrote it numerous times consecutively), and you overuse exclamation marks like they're going out of style. You also arrogantly question people and results in such a way as to be insulting. Please start to conduct yourself in a more appropriate manner, befitting the way we do things here at XS.

Concerning the results, look back one page, at the everest screen I posted of 570 FSB with 10 MHz lower overall cpu clock than the one I just posted above. It has higher read/write/copy bandwidth and has lower latency despite having a lower overall cpu clock, but a 70 MHz higher FSB. That should demonstrate FSB has a greater effect, as I just said above. If you don't want to believe me I couldn't care less, but those two screens prove it.

Well said, I am one of the annoyed you refer to although I've said nothing prior. The insulting attitude towards other members results that are proven as well as such things can be just flat pisses me off!

[turtletrax]

Well said, I am one of the annoyed you refer to although I've said nothing prior. The insulting attitude towards other members results that are proven as well as such things can be just flat pisses me off!

Quoting the quote for truth. Try this attidude in a DFI thread and see how that flies over.

I read this tread allot for when I really get into OCing my board and your constant thread agitation is making it hard to read.

That said, thanks allot for your contribution Cryptik. A great resource and future XIP in my eyes. Good on ya

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

If I am 16? Oh well, I am 17... Maybe that is the difference, I don't get pissed when someone gets to me and say "your result is bad". You are acting like I have called you a son of a ..... witch a didn't. I just said your result is bad, and that is my opinion.

You don't like me? Fine man, let's not talk to each other, I have no problem with that. I will not address one more message to you after this one, even if you address one to me. You guys are here trying to become a XIP member? LOL, go ahead, I am 17 and I find that a waste, but if you 20+ years old guys like it, go for it them...

And I just reached 11K everest and 47 latency with a 515FSB 65nm quad on this board.

Now, for the contribution of the thread (not for you, since I don't post for you anymore) I will slowlly show it

First this one:

[turtletrax]

If I am 16? Oh well, I am 17... Maybe that is the difference, I don't get pissed when someone gets to me and say "your result is bad". You are acting like I have called you a son of a ..... witch a didn't. I just said your result is bad, and that is my opinion.

You don't like me? Fine man, let's not talk to each other, I have no problem with that. I will not address one more message to you after this one, even if you address one to me. You guys are here trying to become a XIP member? LOL, go ahead, I am 17 and I find that a waste, but if you 20+ years old guys like it, go for it them...

And I just reached 11K everest and 47 latency with a 515FSB 65nm quad on this board.

Now, for the contribution of the thread (not for you, since I don't post for you anymore) I will slowlly show it

First this one:

You are so short sighted it is amazing... even for 17. XIP is an extreme honor and even if you got 1000000 K you would never get it with your attidude.

I have never looked to see if this board had an ignore function, but now I am and I hope I am not dissapointed.

I am just disgusted...

EDIT: for those wondering if the ignore function is there, you are in luck... IGNORED.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

OMG man, how nerdy is that?
Ok, I am off this board. I don't wanna post with this kinda people. Looks like this guys don't have a life. You call their overclocks bad and they start to cry. This is insane. You guys need help, not me. I am 17 and I feel very sorry for you people with 20+ living this life.
The guy is saying that there is honor in getting a XIP. On his head this is a hell of an achievement. LOL Man, you are in trouble.

Admin, you can ban this acc. I don't wanna post on this forums again. I think this way, I can do you guys a favor, and do me a favor too.

Sorry but life is so much more then this, that I just really don't care. Maybe you won't understand this, because having a forum acc and virtual buddys is soooo important on your life. I don't care, I really did nothing, I just said that guy everest benchs were way low for the clocks. And the guy freaked out. LOL, I am out.

Ban the acc. Don't care.
Cya guys.

[mikeyakame]

Where do you know it: tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency !??!

Hmm I must have been half asleep calculating that or got confused, which I still do more often than not. Mem timings are pretty complex even when you have your head around them well, especially first thing in the morning.

tREF == tREFI[ns] / tCK[ns]

If DDR2 frequency is 1200MHz, then minimum tREF period is (7.8[us] * 1000 )[ns] / ( 1000ns / (1200 / 2) ), which is 4680T.

Average Self-Refresh period may actually need to be longer to complete, so if an increase in tREF refresh period improves memory latency the previous value was too late. If there is no change, then the current period length is fine.

The value I worked out from my calculations was actually semi-valid so I didn't bother to check the proper docs for the right formula!

[mikeyakame]

OMG man, how nerdy is that?
Ok, I am off this board. I don't wanna post with this kinda people. Looks like this guys don't have a life. You call their overclocks bad and they start to cry. This is insane. You guys need help, not me. I am 17 and I feel very sorry for you people with 20+ living this life.
The guy is saying that there is honor in getting a XIP. On his head this is a hell of an achievement. LOL Man, you are in trouble.

Admin, you can ban this acc. I don't wanna post on this forums again. I think this way, I can do you guys a favor, and do me a favor too.

Sorry but life is so much more then this, that I just really don't care. Maybe you won't understand this, because having a forum acc and virtual buddys is soooo important on your life. I don't care, I really did nothing, I just said that guy everest benchs were way low for the clocks. And the guy freaked out. LOL, I am out.

Ban the acc. Don't care.
Cya guys.

Guess some people have yet to see things for what they are and realize the world goes on with or without them. Age was immaterial until he mentioned it, and turned everything into me me me.

Forums were around from the start for people to share interests and knowledge, and communicate..at least that's what it has always been to me...did I miss something and did everything change without me knowing? When did people start coming on forums to build up egos and have online arguments about who matters more. It seems like a lot of people need to get out and check the world out. I know if my life was about impressing people on the interweb that I can't in real life I would probably hate the world too. At the end of the day all the self-appreciation people have gotten used to getting from those who are genuinely being helpful and nice, will result in 99% needy tools and 1% knowledgable people.

I don't look forward to that day but it appears it's getting closer every year. ;<

[hellcamino]

You really don't get it do you Cable tie guy ? Every thread I've seen you post in you end up insulting someone, acting like an insufferable knowitall or just ...Trolling. Most people are either here to learn something, help someone or a combination of the two. On the other hand here you are telling people with obviously legit screen shots and claims (Napalm) that they are full of it, I'm sorry but it seems that you have yet to learn manners or respect let alone the ability to use Google to see if someone's claims are repeated by others.

[turtletrax]

Yay!!!

[mikeyakame]

The thing I can't get is I was using the net when I was 13 or 14 which was back in the mid 90s and I never had this little respect towards people who lent a hand or knowledge to me. I blame all kinds of groups, but mostly parents for not taking enough interest and disciplinary action with their kids!

[turtletrax]

When I was his age if you acted like that you got your ass beat. Either by parents or older kids. Not the case anymore.

A shame. We are all going to have a hard row if this continues...

But, on the bright side, one less moron is always a step in the right direction. My favorite part was it was easy.

[mikeyakame]

If only we lost more than we gain we'd still be on top! FOr every one that gets banned or leaves, another 2 are waiting to replace them!

Edit:

Shall we resume the nerdy discussions we were having!

[turtletrax]

If only we lost more than we gain we'd still be on top! FOr every one that gets banned or leaves, another 2 are waiting to replace them!

Edit:

Shall we resume the nerdy discussions we were having! B-)

Amen

[mikeyakame]

By the looks of the current bios maturity with memory modules I think I should find an excuse to get my mate to bring his P5Q Deluxe around to see what kind of mem clocks and timings I can get it to run Looks promising and that'll keep me busy for at least half a day or more!

[hellcamino]

I need to dig around and see what if I saved any of my screen shots from my P5Q Deluxe.

No such luck..they are gone

[CryptiK]

Quoting the quote for truth. Try this attidude in a DFI thread and see how that flies over.

I read this tread allot for when I really get into OCing my board and your constant thread agitation is making it hard to read.

That said, thanks allot for your contribution Cryptik. A great resource and future XIP in my eyes. Good on ya

Thanks for the support guys, and thank you very much for the kind words turtletrax, I really appreciate it.

If only we lost more than we gain we'd still be on top! FOr every one that gets banned or leaves, another 2 are waiting to replace them!

Edit:

Shall we resume the nerdy discussions we were having!

Yes, let's continue, fabulous idea

By the looks of the current bios maturity with memory modules I think I should find an excuse to get my mate to bring his P5Q Deluxe around to see what kind of mem clocks and timings I can get it to run Looks promising and that'll keep me busy for at least half a day or more!

There is a new bios (1403) for the P5Q-Deluxe given to a user called Truehighroller by Asus in an attempt to fix an issue he was experiencing with his Q9450, and it is supposed to be better than 1402 (which is still beta released by user pmp) giving gains in FSB and ram speed. I still don't have my deluxe back from RMA but so I can't personally attest to it, but even on 1201, I hit 666 MHz on the ram and 590 FSB on air so any of the later bioses should serve you well.

BIOS 1403 for P5Q-Deluxe: http://rapidshare.com/files/14743390...-1403.rar.html

Ket's mod bios 1403 for P5Q-Deluxe: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SCFMODTY

EDIT - slight bandwidth improvement. Still nowhere near a P35/X38/X48, but better nonetheless. No tweaking of timings or PL just straight boot/bench.

500 FSB, 625 MHz


530 FSB, 635.7 MHz

[Grnfinger]

Here is some old 65nm quad runs











45nm C2D












Will post more when I get home from work and will match cable tie guys settings for a comparison.
CryptiK maybe you could run some tests with your MIIF and E8400 that would be a great head to head

[CryptiK]

Nice results, P35 is a great efficiency platform, and sure I'd be happy to run some benches.

Heres a 500 FSB, 500 MHz 4-4-4-4 run on my Deluxe. Seems like P45 has lower read, higher write, and higher latency that P35.

[CryptiK]

Here we go, didn't have time to run them all so I did three, 450 FSB, 500 FSB & 505 FSB. There was definitely a difference between the two, the X38 has higher read bandwidth and lower latency, but P45 has higher write and copy bandwidth.

450 FSB, 600 MHz


500 FSB, 600 MHz


505 FSB, 606 MHz


P45 vs X38 Comparison Table

[Zucker2k]

You guys do realize the particular rams you're using does make a difference right? I think, Grnfinger, since you have both boards, YOUR tests should be closer to the truth since you can use the same rams for both tests. I think you've actually done that already right?

[CryptiK]

The subtimings would have an effect for sure (the ram used can affect this due to the SPD timings of each set of ram). I did do some comparisons changing subtimings using memset and I only found a difference of +/- 100 MB/s changing everything I could in memset.

The results show a rough comparison, but you are correct in saying it would be best to set everything the same on the 2 boards, and to be certain, use the same ram for the tests.

[d3885u]

Is there anyone of you could explain the function of vtt for dram and nb...???
Truely I'm little confused to set the gtlref menu in BIOS coz it's different with the other mainboard as usually I handle before...
Cryptik could you help me please how to "translate' and making the calculation for the gtlref for nb is the main important I think...???
thanks for your help and for the link of new BIOS from Ket...
And I had a little problem to make my rig going stable with FSB 500-550...
I could found stable setting at 533FSB/1066RAM...but not at the other FSB setting...
What is the best strap for this motherboard?

[d3885u]

Oh yeah Cryptik...Almost forgot...I just want to ask you...Is there any improvement with the modded BIOS from Ket?

[Grnfinger]

You guys do realize the particular rams you're using does make a difference right? I think, Grnfinger, since you have both boards, YOUR tests should be closer to the truth since you can use the same rams for both tests. I think you've actually done that already right?

I have 3 kits of ram Mushkin, GSkill and Dominators, I will test them all, swamped with work but I will make sure it gets done by tomorrow or maybe tonight if I can find the time.

Dont want to swap cpu's if I dont have to but I might just so we can get an accurate test. I would hate for some stickler to say, but the PSU, chip or ram was a factor so the comparison is inacurate. I also have a nice package today Rampage Formula X48. So things might get really interesting.

[CryptiK]

Is there anyone of you could explain the function of vtt for dram and nb...???
Truely I'm little confused to set the gtlref menu in BIOS coz it's different with the other mainboard as usually I handle before...
Cryptik could you help me please how to "translate' and making the calculation for the gtlref for nb is the main important I think...???
thanks for your help and for the link of new BIOS from Ket...
And I had a little problem to make my rig going stable with FSB 500-550...
I could found stable setting at 533FSB/1066RAM...but not at the other FSB setting...
What is the best strap for this motherboard?

Vtt is not controllable through bios it is 0.5x Vdimm. DDR Ref Channel A/B and NB DDR ref voltages are controllable, but I'm not sure what purpose they have at the moment, I'm researching it. I have mine on auto at the moment.

I also have left GTL for NB on auto (0.64x Vtt) and I have found changing it up or down didn't help me overclock higher (my board wont go above 570 FSB) however it may allow slightly less vNB to be used for 'normal' clocks - I'm yet to establish this.

I can be stable at 534 FSB, above that starts getting shaky, not sure why at the moment. I think these boards need more vNB than other P45 boards to get 530+ FSB stable, but other factors may also be playing a role.

I like the 266 strap, it's efficient (as a P45 can be) but 333 is also good. Whatever works for your FSB and desired ram clock I guess.

Oh yeah Cryptik...Almost forgot...I just want to ask you...Is there any improvement with the modded BIOS from Ket?

Yes there was an improvement, I could clock ram higher, but at that stage I didn't know how to clock ram high on this board. I changed back to Asus 1307 and have been on that since as I can get the ram over 650 MHz using it (now I know how to), but soon I will be using Ket's again and will do some testing.