ViewSonic shows off 22-inch 120Hz LCD monitor at NVISION 08

[003]

And how do you know that?

An easy way to test if it is really 120fps is frame tearing. If it is operating at 120fps, it would be able to display fluid motion all the way to 120fps without experiencing any frame tearing. So get a game where you can put a frame cap on, and set it at like 110 or 115 fps, and move the mouse around really fast and see if there is frame tearing. If there is, it is not 120Hz.

[anzial]

imho, LCDs will never provide true 100+ hz refresh rate, only SEDs will, although when those come out, is a big question...

[Sr7]

And how do you know that?

An easy way to test if it is really 120fps is frame tearing. If it is operating at 120fps, it would be able to display fluid motion all the way to 120fps without experiencing any frame tearing. So get a game where you can put a frame cap on, and set it at like 110 or 115 fps, and move the mouse around really fast and see if there is frame tearing. If there is, it is not 120Hz.

Sorry this is completely wrong. Tearing has nothing to do with the FPS. It has to do with what is in the front buffer when the monitor refreshes. So you'll get tearing no matter what the refresh rate is unless you have v-sync on.

In fact you'll get twice as much tearing with 120Hz because there are twice the number of refreshes, unlinked from the backbuffer presents. But the fact is each refresh displays for less time so it might end up harder to see.

By the way, it's not 120fps, it's 120Hz... 120 refreshes. It is *not* linked to frames in any way.

[largon]

Very interested in these 120Hz'ers.
I hope these make conventional LCDs obsolete very soon so that I can snatch one 1920x1200 model as soon as possible. My Almost 2 year old 20" widescreen is getting cluttered too often... And the sluggish image hurts my brain. :\

[shiznit93]

imho, LCDs will never provide true 100+ hz refresh rate, only SEDs will, although when those come out, is a big question...

SED is dead, look to FED hopefully.

[RaZz!]

I don't want illusions, I want 120Hz LCD's, period.

seriously, i want those damn hz, who gives a ... about the 3d illusion stuff

[STaRGaZeR]

Dur.. I'm talking about the 3d effect as an illusion. The Viewsonic monitors 120Hz is not an illusion.. it's 120Hz, period.

That's what I'm saying. You can play with ugly glasses if you want, just give me the monitor

[Helmore]

SED is dead, look to FED hopefully.

I think they are pretty much both dead, it appears that all manufacturers have abandoned ship of both technologies and are all working on OLED. So I will be looking forward to OLED instead....

[003]

Sorry this is completely wrong. Tearing has nothing to do with the FPS. It has to do with what is in the front buffer when the monitor refreshes. So you'll get tearing no matter what the refresh rate is unless you have v-sync on.

In fact you'll get twice as much tearing with 120Hz because there are twice the number of refreshes, unlinked from the backbuffer presents. But the fact is each refresh displays for less time so it might end up harder to see.

By the way, it's not 120fps, it's 120Hz... 120 refreshes. It is *not* linked to frames in any way.

That is incorrect. I test this on my LCD in UT3, and I put an fps cap of 55fps. No tearing, ever. When I increase it to 100fps, I do notice tearing.

Same thing on my old CRT that supported 120Hz, I put a cap of 115fps and I never saw any tearing. When I increased it to 180fps, I saw tearing.

I'm not sure about LCDs, but refresh rate is also equal to how many fps your monitor can display. If that is not true on LCDs, then please explain, what would be the point of a 120Hz LCD?

[anzial]

SED is dead, look to FED hopefully.

I think they are pretty much both dead, it appears that all manufacturers have abandoned ship of both technologies and are all working on OLED. So I will be looking forward to OLED instead....

Thanks for the updates Anyways, I seriously doubt that LCD technology will eek out something like true 100+hz tech, I think we need something else for that... Maybe even this viewsonic display is not exactly LCD either

[Final8ty]

That is incorrect. I test this on my LCD in UT3, and I put an fps cap of 55fps. No tearing, ever. When I increase it to 100fps, I do notice tearing.

Same thing on my old CRT that supported 120Hz, I put a cap of 115fps and I never saw any tearing. When I increased it to 180fps, I saw tearing.

I'm not sure about LCDs, but refresh rate is also equal to how many fps your monitor can display. If that is not true on LCDs, then please explain, what would be the point of a 120Hz LCD?

I have done both fps cap at 60fps on my 30" 2560x1600 & V-synced at 60fps & there is still some tearing with just 60 fps cap where there is none V-synced 60

[Anemone]

30" @ 10bit color and 120hz - looking forward to the day...

[003]

I have done both fps cap at 60fps on my 30" 2560x1600 & V-synced at 60fps & there is still some tearing with just 60 fps cap where there is none V-synced 60

Thats weird, there is none for me.

30" @ 10bit color and 120hz - looking forward to the day...

Don't forget $6000 a piece!

[Lunchbox21984]

ill take two please. upgrade from my 60hz viewsonic 22" vg2230wm screen. love the way this one looks and about time they started with them. as for the 120hz TV's i see a big difference in refresh rate on them, as i just bought one last weekend and love it, 42" Vizo, awesome screen.

[Final8ty]

Thats weird, there is none for me.

You may not notice it because fps cap at near to monitor refresh rate is better than none & will reduce tearing to what you will notice with more variable fps.

But V-synced is even better & will get rid of tearing totally.

FPS Cap is like 2 gears going the same speed in rotation but the teeth are not guaranteed to line up all the time, as they are not meshed together but are close together.

Vsync will Mesh the gears together so that they stay in line all the time.

So a 120Hz screen can give you 120fps V-Synced.....buttery heaven.

[XSAlliN]

*VA/S-IPS panel, or TN junk?

[STaRGaZeR]

So a 120Hz screen can give you 120fps V-Synced.....buttery heaven.

Indeed

But maybe it'll be possible with HD9870

[003]

You may not notice it because fps cap at near to monitor refresh rate is better than none & will reduce tearing to what you will notice with more variable fps.

But V-synced is even better & will get rid of tearing totally.

FPS Cap is like 2 gears going the same speed in rotation but the teeth are not guaranteed to line up all the time, as they are not meshed together but are close together.

Vsync will Mesh the gears together so that they stay in line all the time.

So a 120Hz screen can give you 120fps V-Synced.....buttery heaven.

V-sync also causes very noticeable mouse lag though making it totally unacceptable for FPS games.

*VA/S-IPS panel, or TN junk?

Judging by the specs, a very average TN. Which is what makes me think this can't really be 120Hz.

[Final8ty]

V-sync also causes very noticeable mouse lag though making it totally unacceptable for FPS games.


Judging by the specs, a very average TN. Which is what makes me think this can't really be 120Hz.

In some games it worse than others but i have gotten used to it as i find tearing far more distracting.

[003]

Ok well then I modify my previous statement. To test if it really is 120Hz, enable Vsync at 120Hz, and if you get tearing with vsync enabled, it is not true 120Hz.

[Final8ty]

Ok well then I modify my previous statement. To test if it really is 120Hz, enable Vsync at 120Hz, and if you get tearing with vsync enabled, it is not true 120Hz.

That would not work as V-Sync is done at the gfx card frame buffer level and will sync to what ever the screen can really do.

[Final8ty]

Indeed

But maybe it'll be possible with HD9870

Its painful enough try to get 60FPS maxed out in all games as it is.
But i will not be denied 30" 120FPS

They will have to get the pixle response times down allot as you will notice more after smear.

[shiznit93]

I think they are pretty much both dead, it appears that all manufacturers have abandoned ship of both technologies and are all working on OLED. So I will be looking forward to OLED instead....

FED is still alive and doing well, new companies buying into the tech every month, a 240hz flat panel with CRT picture quality using a fraction of the power is no joke. OLED will take longer than people think, it just doesn't last long enough. Check out http://www.fed-tv-reviews.com.

Ok well then I modify my previous statement. To test if it really is 120Hz, enable Vsync at 120Hz, and if you get tearing with vsync enabled, it is not true 120Hz.

or try to feed it a true 120hz signal from your video card and watch what happens. The so-called 120hz TVs will not take anything over 60hz.

[RPGWiZaRD]

FED is a really impressive tech to me and doesn't seem to have any disadvantages at all exept perhaps cost like with any new technology at first. Too bad it's so far away from any FED comp monitor releases if there will be any so I couldn't wait that long with a CRT so meanwhile a 120Hz LCD will do although it will be a degration in some aspects to my CRT, but since there's no other choices I'll have to settle with what's available...

Sigh if people wouldn't have accepted LCDs so well, perhaps we'd have some better tech today already...

[RaZz!]

V-sync also causes very noticeable mouse lag though making it totally unacceptable for FPS games.

this problem would vanish if it's 120hz<->120fps. the higher the refresh rate, the less mouselag you'll have. 85hz + vsync are fine for me regarding mouselag (which is almost not noticable), but anything lower than 85hz.... so 120hz would really kick ass...