The Wolfdale Vtt ( FSB Termination ) game.Place your bet!

[Furiøùs]

Dont expect them to live more then a year. and the level of degradation is VERY high at that amount of voltage.
Are you aircooling or watercooling? im guessing WC because not many cooler will do a quad at 1.6v unless you have a modded true with the Ducttape and the push pull setup

[NormanABates]

any dead procs yet?
thats 10 days now.

[ShArKo]

any dead procs yet?
thats 10 days now.

just wait...........the time kill all


jajajajajaja

When is the funeral?

[Ace-a-Rue]

You failed at failing man
That won't work at all, because of the built-in overheating protection.
You can't kill a modern CPU that way no matter what you try.
Enter the BIOS, set the highest possible values for Vcore/Vfsb/Vpll, save & exit.
Remove the heatsink and leave the CPU alone and power up the system.
In most cases it will just try to power on and will auto-shutdown in less than a second.
In other cases it may "post" for a sec or two and then shutdown.
No harm done, in any way.

Once again, I repeat, I'm trying to see the effects of various high voltages combined or not in real-life conditions.

hey bill, you got me to be MORE bold with the voltages

lets sink or swim together

[slim142]

Man, I would be more interested if this was about VTT only. Im tired of hearing people warning about no more than 1.20, others warn about 1.30, others about 1.36, others about 1.40 and so on. Some people are even using 1.6 and say they are not worry at all (No reports of a dead one yet).

[BenchZowner]

Dont expect them to live more then a year. and the level of degradation is VERY high at that amount of voltage.
Are you aircooling or watercooling? im guessing WC because not many cooler will do a quad at 1.6v unless you have a modded true with the Ducttape and the push pull setup

I haven't seen any kind of degradation yet.
But it's still "soon" to say something.
That's why I'm going to keep those systems running 'til they fail or...make me feel bored to death waiting for them to degrade or die

any dead procs yet?
thats 10 days now.

None ( apart from the 5V FSB Termination ( VTT ) chip ).

hey bill, you got me to be MORE bold with the voltages

lets sink or swim together

If you had a quick peek at my MSN personal message, then you'd rather "dive"

Man, I would be more interested if this was about VTT only. Im tired of hearing people warning about no more than 1.20, others warn about 1.30, others about 1.36, others about 1.40 and so on. Some people are even using 1.6 and say they are not worry at all (No reports of a dead one yet).

I've set up 3 new systems as per Dino's idea, each running a high voltage ( Vcore or Vfsb or Vpll ) for that purpose.
These 2 have been running for 1 1/2 days already.

[nfm]

I've set up 3 new systems as per Dino's idea, each running a high voltage ( Vcore or Vfsb or Vpll ) for that purpose.
These 2 have been running for 1 1/2 days already.

I've read somehwere before that powering hardware on off, or I should state, forcing current and draining degrades silicon more than voltage or temperature alone. Maybe you should set up 4th system with nice PLL and VTT and keep restarting it number of times throughout the day by flipping PSU switch .

[WeldZilla]

What a load of garbage....

I have 2 e8400 processors both running at 4500+ 24/7 one since Jan 18th, 2008 the other since Jan.24th, 2008

One liquid cooled on a P5E one.

The other aircooled and it ran on the P5Ke-wifi for the 1st 5 months and on a P5Q-Pro (POS) for the last 3 months.

Neither Processor has ever seen below 1.5V most of the time they have been set closer to 1.6 v-core.

Both processors are still as good as they were day one. This is just another myth started by someone who sucked at overclocking

and fried his chip and of course it had to be the Chip's fault!!!

My temps stay just fine even at 4700mhz. My aircooled system stays in the low 30's at idle and never above the low 60's at work

Check the sig it's all there.

WZ

[jcool]

whats the problem of using cpus at 1.6v?
i used to use an e6600 at 1.7v daily, and currently i gave my qx6800 at 1.6 daily...

No problems at all, never burnd any cpu for more than 1 year..

regards

My E6600 ran 1,72V for half an hour in 2006, was trying to reach 4Ghz.. Watercooling and kept it under 70C no less. It wasn't the same after. Needed 1,45V to prime 3,6Ghz before, after that.. oh well, soemthing like 1,52V.
That was more than a year ago, and it still is at 3,6Ghz and 1,5x V so no further degradation. But it happened, and fast.

[railmeat]

whats the problem of using cpus at 1.6v?
i used to use an e6600 at 1.7v daily, and currently i gave my qx6800 at 1.6 daily...

No problems at all, never burnd any cpu for more than 1 year..

regards

a e6600 is NOT a 45nm die,thats the diff dude....2 diff worlds and years of tech diff went into them .a e6600 wont even start up at 1.12 volts like a 45nm will no problem at all.and lets say a e6600 would start up at 1.12volts it will fail everything very fast under thee slightest load.its all relative.my e6600 in my other monster air cooled pc(in my sig)at 3.6 needs 1.45 were my e8400 in my main watercooled rig at same 3.6 needs only 1.22.....

[jcool]

And yet, mine seriously degraded within 1/2 hour of applying too much volts.
I guess there are different kinds of chips after all.

[WeldZilla]

Just incase anyone doubts my 2 e8400's can still run at 4500 as I claim here is today's cpuz'z to go along with my claim

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=408674



http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=408671


Do these processors slowdown and die with volts and time???

Don't make me laugh!!


WZ

[railmeat]

vtt killed qx9650 and other 45nm cpus

i started this thread awhile back based on proven facts what happend to some cpus that were killed with hi vtt put to them.



http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=185943


FUGGER himself made a repost in my thread for ALL to see my thread and ppl to be warned.notice post #5 is fugger himself.i never question fugger.

"Repost

Even with a good sink, 1.45v is a lot for 45nm for long term survival."

"fugger"
__________________

[Bobsama]

12 days if you start raising VTT further.

[jaredpace]

Just incase anyone doubts my 2 e8400's can still run at 4500 as I claim here is today's cpuz'z to go along with my claim

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=408674



http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=408671


Do these processors slowdown and die with volts and time???

Don't make me laugh!!


WZ

my e8400 only took 1.42v for 4500mhz

[WeldZilla]

ok, so what is your point? JP, who gives a damn what is takes to get there as long as you do and it's stable. Mine both easily go right past 4700 mhz
This is XS after all.

Look how loose you had to set your memory!! any looser and it would fall out of your case!!!
I get all my clocks with bios settings, not a clock gen... yikes and you dare to compare????

But none the less you did find your way to 4500mhz and that is more than most!! So for that congrats!!

Most guys run these power house chips at 4000mhz I ran my 3.0C Northwood that fast 24/7.

WZ

[NormanABates]

I hope everyone should get on topic and not arguing who got the best this and that.

This will benefit us all.

Thanks BenchZowner for bringing this thread up when nobody dared to do.

Day 11, no dead proc yet i assume.

[WeldZilla]

Well I'll argue the degradation point all day!! Since I am pushing day 210 pushing high clocks and high volts. What you think i was just blessed with ultra lucky volt eating processors?

Well I don't. I think these 45nm chips are more durable than given credit for.

WZ

[Zeus]

WZ, the point was not just high Vcore, it is high Vtt, high Vpll and high Vcore.

BenchZoner is doing a damn nice job investigating, i hope some myths can finally be busted or confirmed.

Time will tell.

[BenchZowner]

Day 11 for the first two systems and no casualties yet ( counting the other rigs as well ).
The first one to degrade/die will more than likely be me and any guests that will sit in the computer testing room for more than 30 minutes

[NBF]

Day 11 for the first two systems and no casualties yet ( counting the other rigs as well ).
The first one to degrade/die will more than likely be me and any guests that will sit in the computer testing room for more than 30 minutes

No dead body in battlefield yet!

I guess this chips are diehards after all.

Would be nice if you could post a table with the hardware/volts info on your test systems.

[BenchZowner]

I will do.
Unfortunately I have been in "extended vacations" mode ( wasn't really vacations though ) and I'm left behind in many many things.
I have about 15 reviews to write and publish, 5 new hardware to test and prepare their reviews, this mythbusting/testing, and more stuff

I'll try to tabulate the data in the evening and post it here asap.

[Ace-a-Rue]

I guess there are different kinds of chips after all.

i am wondering if the position on the wafer, when it is made, accounts for anything as far as surviving or dying under high voltage???

[jcool]

Might well be. But since we don't know anything specific it would be pointless to speculate, I guess

[HDCHOPPER]

i am wondering if the position on the wafer, when it is made, accounts for anything as far as surviving or dying under high voltage???

Weldzilla eyem with you on that count pick your torolation on volts and put it thier and see what ya get !

crawling all the way through 1.2 and all points in between just runs trace paths through the sillycone

leave 1 hiway through thier with few on ramps have had no proublems with 1.55 cpu volts either myself can get to 5.0 cpu speed too ( not stable enough tho)


thanks Zoner for this test !! cant wait to see the outcome