Apogee GTZ

[Xilikon]

seriously - i just got into WC and brought v1 of fuzion just before v2 was released - is it really worth it for me to get a fuzionV2?

Unless you live or die for 1C, don't worry. I have both myself and they perform great for me

[Bojamijams]

As Xilikon has said, no its not worth the upgrade.

[flopper]

I buy one today if I could.
This country dont have waterblocks, I mean a whole friggin country dont have the best blocks out there, none!
Whats that about?
Medicoracy??

We suck as business and as knowing whats the best out there, unbelivable...

[C'DaleRider]

As Xilikon has said, no its not worth the upgrade.

Depends on what your individual situation is, I'd think.

In my case, I'm starting up a second computer in water.....and since I need to buy a new cpu water block, may as well upgrade mine and reuse my Fuzion V1 in the wife's computer. Makes very good sense in that regard.

Just to upgrade for the sake of upgrading.....if you don't mind tearing your loop apart repeatedly, spending your money twice....sure, it's a great upgrade. But if your loop is already functioning well, ie. keeping your cpu/nb/gpu/whatever's temps under control satisfactorily, then of course it isn't worth the upgrade.

But if one has to have the latest and greatest, it's there to buy and try. And that compulsion, which is in all of us to some extent, is what makes the consumer market turn.

So, as has been said so many times before, it's up to you to decide if it's worth the purchase or not....of either this component or any other.

[IanY]

I buy one today if I could.
This country dont have waterblocks, I mean a whole friggin country dont have the best blocks out there, none!
Whats that about?
Medicoracy??

We suck as business and as knowing whats the best out there, unbelivable...

And what country is that? Seems like a business opportunity there.

Mediocrity or Meritocracy ? "Medicoracy" isn't a word.

[Xilikon]

Depends on what your individual situation is, I'd think.

In my case, I'm starting up a second computer in water.....and since I need to buy a new cpu water block, may as well upgrade mine and reuse my Fuzion V1 in the wife's computer. Makes very good sense in that regard.

Just to upgrade for the sake of upgrading.....if you don't mind tearing your loop apart repeatedly, spending your money twice....sure, it's a great upgrade. But if your loop is already functioning well, ie. keeping your cpu/nb/gpu/whatever's temps under control satisfactorily, then of course it isn't worth the upgrade.

But if one has to have the latest and greatest, it's there to buy and try. And that compulsion, which is in all of us to some extent, is what makes the consumer market turn.

So, as has been said so many times before, it's up to you to decide if it's worth the purchase or not....of either this component or any other.

I did upgrade to v2 myself but because I needed a 2nd cpu waterblock for my HTPC. I took the opportunity to upgrade my main pc to v2 then use the v1 on the HTPC but both ran similarly well so both is good imho

[Duniek]

where I can order GTZ? (I mean inside USA)

[IanY]

where I can order GTZ? (I mean inside USA)

Go to www.performance-pcs.com

[C'DaleRider]

where I can order GTZ? (I mean inside USA)

I was going to say Performance PC's, too, as they had a weekend sale on the block.....$59.95. But the sale is over and it's back up to standard retail at $69.95.

Where else? (All links below lead directly to the Swiftech GTZ)

Performance PC's .... http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24230

Sidewinder .... http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapgtzexpew.html

FrozenCPU ..... http://www.frozencpu.com/products/79...er.html?tl=g30

Petra's .... http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa.html

Jab-Tech .... http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apo...k-pr-4246.html



Since all the above are quality resellers and the price of the block is the same at every one of them, I'd suggest putting one in each place's cart and seeing what your shipping would be and buy the cheapest shipping. You cannot go wrong with any of the above.

[IanY]

Honestly, to Krakow, Poland, you ought to be buying from the UK. Shipping costs from the US is going to be murdersome. Plus, many of the retailers listed above are open minded to intl. credit card orders, but most US retailers are close minded and prejudicial the moment they see "Poland"

Don't they have it next door in Germany ?

[eXa]

Its cheaper for me in norway to buy from US rather than UK...

[C'DaleRider]

Its cheaper for me in norway to buy from US rather than UK...

I've heard that before from a lot of overseas, to us in the U.S. at least, enthusiasts. Seems a lot of companies hike their prices significantly when selling in Euro. vs. the prices U.S. buyers are charged.

It ends up being cheaper to buy from a U.S. based company that'll ship overseas, even with the high shipping costs. And shipping sometimes isn't too bad, esp. with smaller items and using U.S.P.S. International Priority Mail.

Honestly, to Krakow, Poland, you ought to be buying from the UK. Shipping costs from the US is going to be murdersome.

Like I mentioned above, Int'l Priority Mail, esp. on smaller, lighter items, isn't horrible.....have shipped quite a bit overseas (selling on ebay...have shipped to Japan, Italy, Indonesia, UK, and Germany lately) and if it's heavy, it's expensive, but if it's small and light, it's tolerable....and a water block, esp. a cpu or chipset block, shouldn't be too much at all, comparatively speaking.

[Xilikon]

And it was cheaper for me as a Canadian to order a TC radiator from the manufacturer in the UK than to order from Danger Den, even with customs fees and high shipping fees It's also faster.

[BlueAqua]

I just received my GTZ from Gary at Sidewindercomputers and I'm very impressed so far with the quality. One thing I initially noticed is that the base is very thin and the backplate is very substantial. I'll get this setup and going shortly but I'm excited. BTW I love the mounting hardware it comes with, no guesswork or losing any pieces. There is a C clip on the back side of the mount that prevents the springs/washers/screws from falling out. I'm sure this will look great on my Maximus II Forumla.

[C'DaleRider]

And it was cheaper for me as a Canadian to order a TC radiator from the manufacturer in the UK than to order from Danger Den, even with customs fees and high shipping fees It's also faster.

Well, it is Danger Den you're talking about.............what'd you expect?

[Xilikon]

Well, it is Danger Den you're talking about.............what'd you expect?

And just 5$ more expensive than NCIX, which is worth every penny since NCIX have no idea when they will receive the next batch (this turned up to be a 7 weeks wait between my order to TC and seeing them in stock at NCIX).

[LinusTech]

And just 5$ more expensive than NCIX, which is worth every penny since NCIX have no idea when they will receive the next batch (this turned up to be a 7 weeks wait between my order to TC and seeing them in stock at NCIX).

Yeah... It's all about customs for us... Sometimes they can get held up for weeks with no explanation and other times they sail right through, so I don't guarantee when TC will arrive anymore.

That said, we should have some coming in the next few days...

[Xilikon]

Yeah... It's all about customs for us... Sometimes they can get held up for weeks with no explanation and other times they sail right through, so I don't guarantee when TC will arrive anymore.

That said, we should have some coming in the next few days...

Don't worry about that, I ordered it last october so it has been a long while

Yes, customs is a b1tch, sometime it pass like a hot knife thru butter (ordered some parts from PPCs, got it to the door 2 days later with First Class Mail !) and other time, it take 6 weeks and the package seems to have been tampered a lot (and getting thru some foot sessions in the warehouse).

[Duniek]

thanks for all quick responses

for me easier to buy it in US
I order couple of things and 200-300gram pack with block inside bigger box will be cost be 1$ more so...

[0xdeadbeef]

Where else? (All links below lead directly to the Swiftech GTZ)

Performance PC's .... http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24230

Sidewinder .... http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapgtzexpew.html

FrozenCPU ..... http://www.frozencpu.com/products/79...er.html?tl=g30

Petra's .... http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa.html

Jab-Tech .... http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apo...k-pr-4246.html

Since all the above are quality resellers and the price of the block is the same at every one of them, I'd suggest putting one in each place's cart and seeing what your shipping would be and buy the cheapest shipping. You cannot go wrong with any of the above.

All these companies are good for overseas shipping except Jab-tech that only delivers to UK in Europe. They don't want your money if you live in Poland or for that matter Germany, France, Spain and Italy and so on. However if you happen to live in Guam you can buy from them...

[jonny_ftm]

Sorry I'm taking so long, I'm having a really hard time with ambient temperatures and repeating tests, so my stuff is going to take a while yet.

But for flow, don't worry too much about it, the GTZ is not an extremely restrictive block, it's more average to average/high.

I havn't done pressure drop testing yet, but I have been recording as tested or resulting flow rates that I get with an XSPC res top DDC3.2 and TFC 480 with my flow meter. Here are some relative flow rates to give you an idea:

D-Tek Fuzion V2 = 2.15 GPM
Apogee GTZ = 1.86 GPM
EK Supreme = 1.52 GPM

Hope that holds you over. If I can't sort out this thermal testing faster, I'll go ahead and switch to some pressure drop testing for a while. I know I can do that quickly.

Would be great if you drop pressure test it so that it can be added to the flow rate estimator. It's the only thing holding me from buying one. As we know it will perform side to side to the Fuzion and EK, pressure drop is an important factor.

I can't figure how to extrapolate your quick measurments you just posted, sadely, except it is a lot far more restrictive than a Fuzion and quiet a bit less than an EK supreme

[Martinm210]

Would be great if you drop pressure test it so that it can be added to the flow rate estimator. It's the only thing holding me from buying one. As we know it will perform side to side to the Fuzion and EK, pressure drop is an important factor.

I can't figure how to extrapolate your quick measurments you just posted, sadely, except it is a lot far more restrictive than a Fuzion and quiet a bit less than an EK supreme

An easy estimation would be to put the supreme curve in get a number, then put the fuzion v2 in, get a number and split the difference. That'll be close enough until I get the thing pressure drop tested.

Unfortunately because I'm using my king flow meter for the CPU thermal testing loop, that puts me down a flow meter to do any pressure drop testing.

Anyhow these are my recommedations with the GTZ. Make sure you use the stock backplate (yes that means a motherboard removal) and also make sure you tighting the mounting screws ALL the way down. A little oil on the screws will help with this, but it's important that you use the stock backplate and mount with maximum pressure. The mounting mechanism included is critially important to maximum efficiency.

[Repliquant67]

I can confirm that too. Even when using the EK springs cranked down 8 full turns, and the backing plate, I still got a performance increase from using the GTZ mount. That mounting mech. really clamps the block down.

andyc

Difference is really big ?
I don't like the system of swiftech. If I have to remove the mobo each time I change a cpu ...

[C'DaleRider]

Difference is really big ?
I don't like the system of swiftech. If I have to remove the mobo each time I change a cpu ...

Why would you if you are using the same block each time? The mount is essentially the same, in operation, as the EK or D-Tek backplate, both of which also require removing the motherboard for initial installation of the backplate.

Thereafter, changing cpu's requires no removal of the motherboard, provided you are going to use the same block.

[Repliquant67]

Why would you if you are using the same block each time? The mount is essentially the same, in operation, as the EK or D-Tek backplate, both of which also require removing the motherboard for initial installation of the backplate.

Thereafter, changing cpu's requires no removal of the motherboard, provided you are going to use the same block.

Not really. You stick the back plate on the back of the mobo. If the back plate move or fall down, you need to remove the mobo ... And the back plate will not stick well if you change the mobo.