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    UPS man came to the door. I havn't started testing it yet, still working on another block, but here are a few more pics to throw in the mix:

    The box, smaller than I expected, but it uses the hold down plate for protection on the base. It's about the size of the EK box, just barely big enough to hold the block with a little bubble wrap around it.


    The packaging:


    Taken all out:


    And the block with retaining plate, machining finish on the delrin top looks nice.


    Cheers!

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    very nice

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    yay its martin's turn!
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    Good pics martin, Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanY View Post
    Gabe, I cannot tell you what to do, but if I were you, if RCHN were my company, I wouldn't hand out blocks to anybody anywhere for any reason. You should control info about your own product and ensure the integrity of information. Your product's capabilities should speak for itself, not some third party on some hobbyist forum. Look at the resulting nonsense. Just a kind suggestion, with full respect to you.
    What, you mad cause you didnt get one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    There's a lot less voodoo in watercooling than is assumed
    The only thing future proof in electronics, is the electricity itself.

    Any one who relies on only one source of information is a fool.

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    Wow now he is definitely shot himself. Martin you better prepare for the, "Done the tests yet?" PMs, posts and mail if your unlucky enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MomijiTMO View Post
    Wow now he is definitely shot himself. Martin you better prepare for the, "Done the tests yet?" PMs, posts and mail if your unlucky enough.
    he probably is turning pming off right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirheck View Post
    What, you mad cause you didnt get one?
    Now was that necessary?
    I spent 1/2 the night trying to talk some sense into people and calm this down.
    Please don't toss gas on the fire.
    My typing fingers are beat as it is.
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    im gonna stay up all night waiting for the results haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Now was that necessary?
    I spent 1/2 the night trying to talk some sense into people and calm this down.
    Please don't toss gas on the fire.
    My typing fingers are beat as it is.

    DOH! Sorry.
    Just keepin ya on your toes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    There's a lot less voodoo in watercooling than is assumed
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    Any one who relies on only one source of information is a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eXa View Post
    Yes i know. I see the results, but i dont know anything about how they achived it. .
    sure you do, we lay it out in front of you right to the smallest detail.. But you chose to question it, that's all. Let's call it as it is. Distrust for manufacturer published data. It is your right, and mine is to try to convince you, and others obviously that our data is geniune. Here is what we say:

    "The following tables report the data collected from testing performed with actual retail processors under 100% load using CPU Burn. Published results are the best of a minimum of 5 mounts using the manufacturer supplied retention mechanism. Flow rate and coolant inlet temperature were maintained at a constant and arbitrarily chosen 1.5 gpm and 30 °C respectively. These results are indicative of our test bench settings and of the tested processors only. Results may vary from one processor to another. Competitive data is provided for comparative purposes, and is only representative of the specific waterblock samples tested here. Where different nozzles were available, best results are provided. Where temperatures only are given, these are averaged- out core values reported by the processor Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS).

    "

    Now soon Andy will publish his results, and then Martin, and then Scott. Let's revisit after that if you can trust what you read on our site or not. Deal ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirheck View Post
    What, you mad cause you didnt get one?
    Mad? I can buy myself one, thank you very much. I wouldn't want to be obligated to anybody, or group or company. I will find out for myself in due course.

    I appreciate your concern, but its $59.95 at Performance PCs and anybody can buy a couple at will.

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    Isn't 30C ambient a bit high...

    86F...
    Quote Originally Posted by Chruschef in regards to Thermaltake water cooling
    you'd be better off cooling your components with a fire....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MomijiTMO View Post
    Martin you better prepare for the, "Done the tests yet?" PMs, posts and mail if your unlucky enough.
    You'll get it when I'm comfortable my results are repeatable and accurate..

    How do the software folks say it...when it's done?...

    30 mounts down....many many more to go...
    Last edited by Martinm210; 08-15-2008 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    Now soon Andy will publish his results, and then Martin, and then Scott. Let's revisit after that if you can trust what you read on our site or not. Deal ?
    As though you have an obligation to justify yourself.

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    LOL I'm not a fanatic who would bother to write a pm. You'll post it when it's done. My life hasn't changed with this new block XD.

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    For once, I gotta say leave Gabe alone. If the tests are done as stated (and I have no reason to believe otherwise) then the results should be taken as valid. Check and see against our reviewers, but that's just bad form to call him out like that.

    I'm waiting to see myself, but as I do all custom blocks pretty much now, i'm just interested in the backup. I have no intentions of trying to fit a pair of these on my setup.

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    Once again,

    Its - A - $60 - Water - Block !

    Just a water block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanY View Post
    As though you have an obligation to justify yourself.
    Agreed, he doesn't but thats what the good ones do because they care..
    And because it's his business.. Like a child that you watch grow and you are paranoid that they will falter..
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    sure you do, we lay it out in front of you right to the smallest detail.. But you chose to question it, that's all. Let's call it as it is. Distrust for manufacturer published data. It is your right, and mine is to try to convince you, and others obviously that our data is geniune. Here is what we say:

    "The following tables report the data collected from testing performed with actual retail processors under 100% load using CPU Burn. Published results are the best of a minimum of 5 mounts using the manufacturer supplied retention mechanism. Flow rate and coolant inlet temperature were maintained at a constant and arbitrarily chosen 1.5 gpm and 30 °C respectively. These results are indicative of our test bench settings and of the tested processors only. Results may vary from one processor to another. Competitive data is provided for comparative purposes, and is only representative of the specific waterblock samples tested here. Where different nozzles were available, best results are provided. Where temperatures only are given, these are averaged- out core values reported by the processor Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS).

    "

    Now soon Andy will publish his results, and then Martin, and then Scott. Let's revisit after that if you can trust what you read on our site or not. Deal ?

    Kinda anxious to see real results as some just talk.
    Hopefully the comparisons are with diff. waterblocks and same
    cpus. (which i imagine they are).

    I will have results from a TC pa120.3 vs. a ST 220(with built in res)
    by the end of the weekend.

    All runing on the same HW.
    Some say a 220 isnt enough for a Q66,NB and 88gtx.
    And yes Ambients will be constant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Agreed, he doesn't but thats what the good ones do because they care..
    And because it's his business.. Like a child that you watch grow and you are paranoid that they will falter..
    I am maximally irritated by the presumption of guilt over here. As though proof provides redemption against some imaginary fakery that did not occur in the first place.

    I am amazed that Gabe caters so much to this crowd when they treat him so badly.

    Has *anyone* ever put Eddy of EK through such rigor ?!? The level of preferential treatment is stunning. And it has nothing to do with any of my preferences for Swiftech equipment, which is again another myth, because a lot of my equipment now isn't Swiftech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    Let's revisit after that if you can trust what you read on our site or not. Deal ?
    I trust u already, i really dont think ur altering the test results in any way to get ur product looking better. (There is however other companies that i dont trust yet.)

    But that wasnt really my point.
    The more we know about the testing procedure the easier it is to trust one.
    I have to bring up Martin again. Looking at the fuzion v2 test u even know wich washers he used when mounting the block... thats detailed!

    If compaines like say.. SilenX would start doing that then they would HAVE to put up real numbers instead of the fairytale numbers they come up with now.

    So ye, i do trust Switech. But if an independent reviewer came out with an review looking just like the page about the GTZ id call it a little thin.
    (but i may be spoiled...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanY View Post
    I am maximally irritated by the presumption of guilt over here. As though proof provides redemption against some imaginary fakery that did not occur in the first place.

    I am amazed that Gabe caters so much to this crowd when they treat him so badly.

    Has *anyone* ever put Eddy of EK through such rigor ?!? The level of preferential treatment is stunning. And it has nothing to do with any of my preferences for Swiftech equipment, which is again another myth, because a lot of my equipment now isn't Swiftech.
    The only incident I remember of Eddy being hassled was over the mounting mechanism on a first rev X38-compatible waterblock. There may have been something about a nickel plated FC R600 waterblock, too, but I don't remember. Certainly, though, Eddy hasn't been taunted as much as Gabe has in this thread. I just read through the past 4 pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanY View Post
    I am maximally irritated by the presumption of guilt over here. As though proof provides redemption against some imaginary fakery that did not occur in the first place.

    I am amazed that Gabe caters so much to this crowd when they treat him so badly.

    Has *anyone* ever put Eddy of EK through such rigor ?!? The level of preferential treatment is stunning. And it has nothing to do with any of my preferences for Swiftech equipment, which is again another myth, because a lot of my equipment now isn't Swiftech.
    Why are people picking on Gabe?
    I have zero problems with ST,Gabe or their products.
    Hell my Q66 on the ST all in one pump/waterblock shows no
    difference temp wise from my D-Tek V-2.

    According to on-board software, my non-contact thermometor
    or my Fluke meter and by touch/feel.
    Both stock and clocked as high as 4 ghz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanY View Post
    I am maximally irritated by the presumption of guilt over here. As though proof provides redemption against some imaginary fakery that did not occur in the first place.

    I am amazed that Gabe caters so much to this crowd when they treat him so badly.

    Has *anyone* ever put Eddy of EK through such rigor ?!? The level of preferential treatment is stunning. And it has nothing to do with any of my preferences for Swiftech equipment, which is again another myth, because a lot of my equipment now isn't Swiftech.
    Ian:
    On this we pretty much agree.
    I hate to see any manufacturer treated as if every word they say was a lie and all their numbers questioned. Just plain rude and bad manners to me.
    Now just for the sake of arguement if Gabe said his block would do X and I couldn't get close to that number before I posted on it I'd PM him first and ask if I was doing something wrong.
    I also hate to see these manufacturers grilled by people as if the manufacturer was their own personal slave.
    Again, just bad manners and not right.
    Yea, I know they are in this to make money but thats an aside. This questioning can all be done respectfully on both sides with polite questions asked and answered.
    It's almost like people get off on being able to talk down to these guys and that has always pissed me off.
    Just like Andy tonight, these guys deserve to be treated politely and with respect and if the numbers are ready today,tomorrow or next week thats life and people have to accept that.
    To see a guy like Martin banging away 18 hours straight just because some armchair general wants the numbers tonight instead of two days from now is dead wrong..
    Ok, end of rant and thanks for posting that Ian.
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