Well it isn’t.Originally Posted by RunawayPrisoner
There are some links in this thread showing that AMD performs better on high resolutions.
Single threaded games you may be right, core 2 is designed for that
Well it isn’t.
There are some links in this thread showing that AMD performs better on high resolutions.
Single threaded games you may be right, core 2 is designed for that
I read this entire thread...no amount of factual information is going to get gosh to finally come around. He will continue on his path of circular reasoning until you guys flare out...and then he will claim victory.
Is this a competition?
Do you feel better if I say that you win?
This discussion is about processors. I think all knows the future, it's about threading. Applications will shift from single threaded to multithreaded more and more. When you are going to gain on using a quad depends on what type of applications he/she is using today. Most of us will do very well on duals.
The main argument in gaming when threaded games are used for AMD hasn’t been talked about as much here. It’s about bottlenecks. We mostly talks about which can get highest avg FPS.
What really sad is that reality isn’t shown in tests and that favours Intel when all these tests are done. Intel will be stronger and stronger, if AMD was a bit more late with the 48xx serie than they might had been in SERIOUS trouble. If there isn’t any AMD then we all loose and all shareholders at Intel will be happy.
Last edited by gosh; 08-15-2008 at 02:03 PM.
All the data produced in this thread are games that are multithreaded across all 4 cores...
Lost Planet, GRID, World in Conflict utilize all 4 cores. Gosh -- clock for clock, Intel produces a computational result faster than AMD does single threaded, dual threaded or quadruple threaded... there is no question.
Does this make the Phenom a bad CPU? No. Does it require AMD to price it accordingly? Yes. This is why AMD is losing billions, they cannot make a profit and charge 200 bucks or less for a quad core processor, while trying to support the low end with dual cores that are even slower than the competition.
Last edited by JumpingJack; 08-15-2008 at 03:39 PM.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
I partly agree with you, there is at least one szenario where Phenom will outperform an Intel2Q just due superior architecture. Excuse me for not adding some information about gpu bound discussionen.
I just quote myself
At least for a game such a szenario will be very rare just because of the fact most of the games have one "main" thread for gpu rendering and some help threads for the other stuff (KI...) . For an Intel thats very great the prefetcher can "always" allocat the Data to the right core. From my personal technological view C2D is the best DualCore Processor but i terms of QuadCore processors K10 is the better (and so will be Nehalem)That is, in principle, the huge advantage of the C2D. It loads the data early enough to perform efficiently, so the application can count immediately, without accessing the memory .
This principle can get problems with SMT and crashes with ongoing data transfer (depending of the type of data transfer , its important how much data has to be calculated). In terms of streaming Data K10 wins, in terms of ex. video encoding there is more calculating and the C2D takes advantage of its huge L2Cache an the mighty prefetcher in the background.
Now here comes the problem: with SMT and 4 (or more) Threads the prefetcher has problems finding out which Data is needed an works partially effective. Does the prefetcher well the result is very good and L2 and prefetcher works great. But when something unexpected happens a very long memory access is needed and the whole structure collapses while k10 still can handle the coherency due to the shared L3 Cache and even if the Data is not in the L3 Cache K10 can loads the Data 3 times faster then C2Q. Again : this will happen only with massive SMT .
Last edited by Boschwanza; 08-15-2008 at 05:47 PM.
Fair enough, I should have been a bit less commanding and left room in the wording... my bad. ... there are situations where the architecture does shine ... h264 encoding is a great example.I partly agree with you
I just quote myself
At least for a game such a szenario will be very rare just because of the fact most of the games have one "main" thread for gpu rendering and some help threads for the other stuff (KI...) . For an Intel thats very great the prefetcher can "always" allocat the Data to the right core.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
I seem to recall the P4's shine in Video Encoding when A64 was kicking Prescott's butt.
1.7%
I won't flare out
I read this entire thread...no amount of factual information is going to get gosh to finally come around. He will continue on his path of circular reasoning until you guys flare out...and then he will claim victory.... this is fun.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
There are over a hundred links on Google to show otherwise. And there are more links and data in this thread that say otherwise, too.
Plus you did not answer my question. Why does Intel Core 2 work better with PCSX2 than AMD Phenom? We DO have the PCSX2 source code (the latest SVN is 384), so you can peep in it for technical details right there. Care to elaborate based on your expertise in programming?
Motherboard: ASUS P5Q
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 3.20GHz (1.07v vCore!)
RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX 800MHz
GPU: MSI Radeon HD 4870 @ 780/1000 (default)
Have been asking for those links before, can you show me?
Show me the code and then I will be able to answer. I don't know how they have coded that application and I think that even you will understand that is impossible for anyone to explain why.
I can give you some clues tough. It’s difficult to do threading; it is probably very difficult emulating threads from other code effectively. That program probably want raw processor power (high Hz) and fast cache.
Last edited by gosh; 08-15-2008 at 02:28 PM.
ooops... weird, double post.
Last edited by JumpingJack; 08-15-2008 at 03:18 PM.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
It's ok Gosh -- nobody believes you, this is why you get the gruff you get. You're really a nice guy overall. Bottom line, it does not matter -- if running at high resolution -- who is better. Even if the GPU is the limiter and AMD scores 4 FPS higher by some forum random postings, the game play will be the same on either.
Unfortunately, if you bought a Phenom with this misconception on a 8800GTX card, thinking you would be able to exploit the latest round of cards ... you have wasted your money on a GPU upgrade, the Phenom will just not feed it fast enough (not because of lack of BW, but because it takes the Phenom longer to complete the computational cycle).
The X2's came today, I should have some data by tonight....
Last edited by JumpingJack; 08-15-2008 at 03:22 PM.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
True enough. I get about 20fps in Lost Planet with 8x AA and 16x AF, but the game looks pretty, and still runs mirror smooth. Same goes for Crysis. It just doesn't matter which one runs better. 1 or 2fps isn't that important.
Grats! Start spanking something? I'm expecting lots of graphss and lots of paragraphs in a separate thread.The X2's came today, I should have some data by tonight....
Motherboard: ASUS P5Q
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 3.20GHz (1.07v vCore!
RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX 800MHz
GPU: MSI Radeon HD 4870 @ 780/1000 (default)
very interesting to see
is this done with phenom (or is it fake maybe)?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197648
Last edited by gosh; 08-15-2008 at 05:36 PM.
If you read through the forums, the link that generated this data came from chiphell...very interesting to see
is this done with phenom (or is it fake maybe)?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197648
This is the CPU that generated it:
http://www.chiphell.com/?action-view...mid-211-page-3
Q6600, not Phenom.
EDIT: Oooops, then I read lower in the thread and this is not the link. Hold on let me search some more.
EDIT2: What CPU, I see no mention of phenom in there. And I don't know if it is fake because Chiphell does not have a 4870X2 review posted.
Jack
Last edited by JumpingJack; 08-15-2008 at 05:59 PM.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
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