45nm Phenom Overclocked, Super Pied

[RunawayPrisoner]

I would say that Agena is not 10-15% slower than C2Q. It might be closer to half of that, and the difference decreases the higher the frequency goes. That FSB is really killing them. At around 3.5GHz, many tasks seem to be about the same (aka, ~0% avg delta).

I really wish I could say so... but the difference between Q9450 at 3.6GHz and the same processor at 3.8GHz is not a tolerable one. Of course from 3.6GHz to 4.0GHz, it's an even higher gap. There IS a gap, though in stuffs that are already maxed out in terms of performance (simply because C2Q is just too fast), you won't feel a thing.

Plus Agena is up to 25% slower in some media encoding benchmarks. I think Anandtech has one that shows that.

Not to bash AMD... but... rubbing yourself to make it feel better by reducing numbers slowly and slowly is just a bit... weird.

So... what I am trying to say here is... there is no more excuses for Agena. It's a different story about Deneb, though, and I wouldn't even dare guess anything at this stage.

Agena is around 6%-8% slower than Kentsfield C2Q,on average,per clock.This is all with the crappy reviews we have today(using synthetic crap tests which we saw how they benchmark CPUs- ie. PCmark05).
Yorkfield is around 5%-7% over Kentsfield(somewhere more somewhere less).

You can't say those are crap just because they show one processor over another. So what would be a better "benchmark?" Some game that never gets to use more than one core or never uses that much CPU power? If it's so, we might all well get dual-core processors.

Again... no excuses for Agena. It was just plagued with silly mistakes from AMD. Judging from earlier results from Deneb, I am led to believe that the late launch is due to more silly bugs... which I'm leaning towards the software team to blame. Maybe a BIOS issue. Maybe... something else they overlooked while beta-testing. Either way, I believe Deneb will be a hit IF AMD doesn't resort to some crappy software fixes... again.

Wow. it would take me all day to write that lol.. nice to read any how. I do belive AMD has something going on in the back ground.. Plus they have beem very quiet as of late. but either way., I will still buy a Denab Phenom when they come out. It will plug right into my current setup. Nehelam will rquire a hole new board for any Intel users... so total cost wise.. I think I will stick with AMD this go around as well.

I wouldn't pit Deneb against Nehalem. Maybe against Yorkfield, but not against Nehalem. That said, it's not that Nehalem is overpowered against Deneb, but rather... it's not even worthy of being put against Yorkfield, much less Deneb.

I gotta admit... Nehalem is a stupid move from Intel. Kind of like the GTX 200 series from nVidia.