AMD 45nm Deneb Pictures, CPU-Z and Super Pi Results

[Macadamia]

Yeah and my E8400, which is a bad clocker, does 4GHz at 1.33v. Tell that to the folks with an E8600 E0 stepping, 4GHz at 1.21v. Nice comparison, new shinny high end 45nm AMD processor vs very low end, 65nm Intel processor

This is only a good result if you compare it to Agena. If you start talking about Intel it's bad, very bad. And you know it, seriously I don't know why are you trying to compare apples to cars. Because almost every Intel user here can show you an apple being faster than the car

Why don't you try a quadcore comparison?
Ironically hypocritical.

[STaRGaZeR]

Funny to see how lots of people post their Yorkfield results in AMD threads to say Agena is crap, but if an Intel (talking about a Conroe-L) user does the opposite it's bad?

Not bad at all, just funny to make a dual-quad-45nm-65nm-highend-lowend comparison.

Anyway, it's bad anyway, just find it funny this is the first time someone critizes it not being an AMD user. However, you do the same with your C2D remark:

4Ghz at 1.33V for a Dual Core with High/k and metal gates that is which had quite some improvements/steppings already. This Voltage on an ES 45nm Quad without High/k and metal gates, I think it's very impressive

I did the same on purpose, to show how illogical that comparison was, hence the

It's not superb, but if you remember where we're coming from, B2 Phenoms, B3 Phenoms + SB600... Basicly all B3's (if not B2's as well) can clock well beyond 3Ghz now. I do hope they get rid of the few flaws in the NB though cause atm it's even slower clock for clock with Agena.

Again, is nice compared to Agena, as I said in my first post. A 6GHz PIII or a 4GHz Athlon are nice too, but useless. I want AMD to be on par with Intel not only in overclocking, but in perfomance too, because that is what matters. I don't have my Intel at 4GHz just for the sake of it, I have it like that because I want/need that perfomance. You have your Phenom at 2,50GHz for the same reason right?

Why don't you try a quadcore comparison?
Ironically hypocritical.

1. Because there are no E0 quadcores yet.
2. Because I don't have any experience with current Yorkfields, and usually I don't use info from others about something I have not tried myself first. But if you want quad comparisons go ask at what voltages the people in the P5Q Deluxe thread have their quads at 4GHz, crushing Agena/Deneb in perfomance, power consumption and perfomance/watt.

Ironically hypocritical is the fact that some AMD users first cry about Intel being present in AMD threads, and then the same users use Intel in those same threads trying to make AMD look better (and failing). I don't care as a happy Intel user, but way to go

[Rammsteiner]

I did the same on purpose, to show how illogical that comparison was, hence the

Ah, mkay. Although I have a bit of a problem to understand the context of the post then, it makes a bit clearer though

Again, is nice compared to Agena, as I said in my first post. A 6GHz PIII or a 4GHz Athlon are nice too, but useless. I want AMD to be on par with Intel not only in overclocking, but in perfomance too, because that is what matters. I don't have my Intel at 4GHz just for the sake of it, I have it like that because I want/need that perfomance. You have your Phenom at 2,50GHz for the same reason right?

My Phenom runs at stock for a whole other reason. My board+CPU combo is that crap I cant even OC it a 100Mhz before idle freezing. Simply waiting for SB750 then to give the OC process another try.

Ironically hypocritical is the fact that some AMD users first cry about Intel being present in AMD threads, and then the same users use Intel in those same threads trying to make AMD look better (and failing). I don't care as a happy Intel user, but way to go

Must have missed something

[STaRGaZeR]

My Phenom runs at stock for a whole other reason. My board+CPU combo is that crap I cant even OC it a 100Mhz before idle freezing. Simply waiting for SB750 then to give the OC process another try.

I mean you overclock with perfomance in mind, not just for fun right? I also overclock for fun, but that's not important compared to perfomance.

Another thing I find funny is how AMD was promoting compatibility with AM2 mobos, which is nice, and how AMD fanboys said here 'you don't need another mobo, Intel forces you to buy new boards blabla'. Now see how those users say 'hey buy another AM2+ mobo because current SB600's are crap. Buy SB750's blabla'. The contradiction is the mark of the AMD fanboy these days. This is not related to the thread but I want to say it to show how illogical it is too

Must have missed something

Go read all AMD threads in the news section man, is not that difficult.

[SmaKKed]

you know I think AMD really do not care that they are slower than Intel at this time, they are building the "platform" which we all keep forgetting about. The GPU's look to be kicking ass now, chipset issues are getting ironed out and CPU clock speed and efficiency are climbing...which is what they had panned.

Wow what a thread.
I think Tony is onto something here , and i agree with him , I dont think they really care they have ahead of them what they want to do. And i feel they will be focusing on Fusion alot in the coming months/years.

But nether the less its good to see them going forward, which is they way they should be going.

[JCornell]

1. Because there are no E0 quadcores yet.
2. Because I don't have any experience with current Yorkfields, and usually I don't use info from others about something I have not tried myself first. But if you want quad comparisons go ask at what voltages the people in the P5Q Deluxe thread have their quads at 4GHz, crushing Agena/Deneb in perfomance, power consumption and perfomance/watt.

Quad Intel E0 already revealed ... I can get some too, just I'm not interested with Penryn anymore
This is posted at some forum.
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[LightSpeed]

why does there always have to be so much intel in every amd thread?

its sad to be honest. very

[STaRGaZeR]

Not bad, but it could be better don't you think? I want Nehalem too, you are very lucky

[Rammsteiner]

I mean you overclock with perfomance in mind, not just for fun right? I also overclock for fun, but that's not important compared to perfomance.

And that's where you go wrong, I OC for fun. That's why I chose AMD in the first place, I dont see the fun in Intel. And Im not the only one who thinks that way.

Performance is important, of course it is. I miss at times my good old X2 6400 @ 3.5Ghz because any x core @ 2.5Ghz is quite a performance hit. Still it runs everything perfect, but not as smooth as before. However, performance is really not of any high priority as long as it runs everything perfect. And it does that.

Of course Im sometimes dreaming about an Asus Rampage Extreme, Q9450, OCZ Flex II (if they get 4Gb kit that is) and actually building some sort of showcase PC around that. That would be awesome, and fast of course. But why bother wasting that much if even this PC at stock does everything I want? And with the money I save on that I can upgrade a whole lot more here as well.

If I wanted performance I would have bought a 15" TFT screen

Another thing I find funny is how AMD was promoting compatibility with AM2 mobos, which is nice, and how AMD fanboys said here 'you don't need another mobo, Intel forces you to buy new boards blabla'. Now see how those users say 'hey buy another AM2+ mobo because current SB600's are crap. Buy SB750's blabla'. The contradiction is the mark of the AMD fanboy these days. This is not related to the thread but I want to say it to show how illogical it is too

Wrong again.

In order to get a better chance for a respectfull OC it's recommendable to get a SB750 because there are issues with the SB600 boards. However, if you dont overclock there's no single need to get a SB750 board at all. Besides that, Im one of the fewer bad examples regarding overclocking. Others seem to get at least a 200Mhz out of it before hits the fan. Others dont have a problem getting over 3Ghz.

You could run a Phenom on AM2 boards too, but you wont be able to OC the NB of the Phenom due to missing power plane for the NB. Still it runs at stock perfectly.

Besides that, as OC'er, you keep on upgrading every few months in the first place so it's not really a big issue. As well that the quality AM2+ boards are still quite a bit cheaper than most Intel quality boards, although that has all to do with marketing, the Intel user still pays the price.

Go read all AMD threads in the news section man, is not that difficult.

I did, your comment fails to deliver context. Also, since I cant even be bothered to look for it since Ive no clue, why do 'these' people post that stuff? Is it maybe to proof the Intel poster wrong?

[Macadamia]

Ironically hypocritical is the fact that some AMD users first cry about Intel being present in AMD threads, and then the same users use Intel in those same threads trying to make AMD look better (and failing). I don't care as a happy Intel user, but way to go

As a user of both companies' items, you sure seem to be banking on CPUs to boost your ego with this sort of lame trolling more than anything substantial. Performance... LMAO. You don't give a darn. I've seen enough people with the same, dead hard tone to know better.

p/s: At least SB750 users have a reason to change. X38 -> X48 -> P45, with the former 2 motherboards costing at least 1.5X-2X of AMD motherboards, you are only kidding yourself.

[eXa]

Yet another ruined thread.... thanks guys.

[Hornet331]

p/s: At least SB750 users have a reason to change. X38 -> X48 -> P45, with the former 2 motherboards costing at least 1.5X-2X of AMD motherboards, you are only kidding yourself.

lol that point is mood, most 45nm core2s still run on the P965.

[terrace215]

why does there always have to be so much intel in every amd thread?

its sad to be honest. very

For the same reason there is so much AMD in every Intel thread. They are direct competitors, compete in shared markets, and each company has its fans.

So there are legitimate reasons for performance comparisons, along with the back-and-forth cheerleading.

[eXa]

For the same reason there is so much AMD in every Intel thread. They are direct competitors, compete in shared markets, and each company has its fans.

So there are legitimate reasons for performance comparisons, along with the back-and-forth cheerleading.

But how do u fit in JCornells post? Its just thread crapping...

[Rammsteiner]

lol that point is mood, most 45nm core2s still run on the P965.

I think it's more about how many P965 boards run 45nm's (although I dont know if this is abd or good, just saying your statement is incorrect).

On Intel's platform it's less of an issue, however imagine the amount of 680i's sold what was a complete up from Intel.

PS, Still I stand my point Rampage Extreme is a damn sexy board, shame Asus sucks so hard to do anything on AM2+ platform for that. And since the R&D cost Asus more than they'll have profit from it Im afraid we wont see such a board ever on AM2+, if even on any Intel platform. Then again, 300 Euro minimal for that board is quite shocking, although it's not 'needed'. Quality P45/X48 do cost a lot.

[LightSpeed]

But how do u fit in JCornells post? Its just thread crapping...

exactly

and i know they are direct competitors, but whenever theres some good news around the AMD camp the intel folks dont waste a breath and jump instantly saying xx stepping of my intel does xx ghz at this volt so this phenom sucks,

then they show screenshots of core2 cpu-z in this 45nm AMD thread

honestly, wtf?

edit: and yes, things will only get better with the 45nm deneb, early results do look promising

[msimax]

i think its coming to the point where i dont want to go outside with my amd t-shirt on for fears i might be the victim of a hate crime

[gallag]

The way I see it is that the AMD fanboys are just too sensitive, It is like they want an embargo on mentioning Intel, Why does it hurt so much?

[Jacky]

The way I see it is that the AMD fanboys are just too sensitive, It is like they want an embargo on mentioning Intel, Why does it hurt so much?

Yep, and it's really sad how they flame one of the few VIPs with access to pre-release hardware, just make him go away. Sure he may show some bias, but he did not threadcrap, just explained STaRGaZeR's point.

I like both chips' results, looks like AMD really improved w/ 45nm, but both companies are fierce competitors - face it and enjoy ALL the results.

[STaRGaZeR]

Bah I was going to answer, but is as useful as talking to a stone. A normal conversation can't be had when one of the parts ignore the facts and starts dreaming. To Rammsteiner, don't call others wrong when you're the one at fault. Macadamia, when you start the personal attacks you loose all credibility and your lack of arguments is evident. Well that was evident from the start, but still...

[Helmore]

I don't mind seeing remarks about Intel this and AMD that, it's just that comparing volts and clocks between completely different architectures and manufacturing processes is pointless. It however can be useful to compare clocks and volts between the current Agena chips and future Deneb chips as these are pretty much the same architecture, this might tell you something about AMD's 45 nm. process and maybe clocking potential on Deneb chips.
When you do intend to compare between different architectures, then you should only look at performance, stability and power draw of both an overclocked and stock chip and all else is pretty much useless (except for pricing of the overall platform of course). But I guess most of you already know this, although some of you here apparently do not act like doing so.

[natesuniverse]

Keep me laughin' all.

Rammsteiner you're not the only one, as I'll take a $50-$70 CPU I can clock to e7200 speeds any day over paying more for one. Intel has dropped to some decent pricing though lately, mostly because they are at 45nm. I really doubt if an Intel clocked a 4ghz or over is showing good performance/watt. I am sure the performance is good but how many watts a sacrificed for the OC. Really it stands as a no brainer that 45nm vs 65nm from AMD is better at the moment?? Yeh AMD F'd up with releasing the Phenom sooner than they should have. The future does hold some good possibilities for them though.

You are seeing ATI do to Nvidia what you just saw Intel do to AMD. Higher yields and faster chips out to market first. I'd throw together an Intel system if I thought spending half my account was worth it but it ain't just to score a little higher in some benchies. Be nice if they could turn the tables again but may be down the road a ways.

Seriously my side is hurtin'!!!!!!!!!

[Rammsteiner]

The way I see it is that the AMD fanboys are just too sensitive, It is like they want an embargo on mentioning Intel, Why does it hurt so much?

Define fanboy?

Cause I get more and more the idea that any AMD user is getting tripple whacked actually. 24/7 by exactly the same persons, first we had Donni blaming us all on being AMDZone members, now you that we all take it too personally... How hard is it to understand that you got to get your Intel crap out because it's IRRELEVANT. If we were interested we would have bought it already dont you think?

Bah I was going to answer, but is as useful as talking to a stone.

Then be a man and shut up.

A normal conversation can't be had when one of the parts ignore the facts and starts dreaming.

You might want to look at previous AMD threads your selve and find out which people are actually killing the conversation in these threads

To Rammsteiner, don't call others wrong when you're the one at fault.

Once again, you're like all the rest. What is your argument based on?

Explain me what is so wrong about prefering AMD over Intel because I like to tweak lots of things instead of standard manual Intel OC's? What's so wrong about people not willing to OC and thus not in need for any AM2+ (be it with or without SB750)?

Are you going to call me wrong if I say I like to eat apples on bread or what.

Macadamia, when you start the personal attacks you loose all credibility and your lack of arguments is evident. Well that was evident from the start, but still...

Says who

[gallag]

Explain me what is so wrong about preferring AMD over Intel because I like to tweak lots of things instead of standard manual Intel OC's?

It is like someone saying they think car a is better than car b because it is slightly harder to service and breaks down a bit more.

You don't need these crazy excuses to justify your cpu preference. AMD still makes sense in a lot of ways and have some excellent products for the money.How does it even work? Do you like it when an oc fails and you get to reset cmos? are you disappointed if you spend 10 mins setting it up and it just works fine? I don't get it. surely it is about playing in the bios for 10mins then actually running the computer to see the benefit of your 10mins hard work. Hell its not even like a AMD system is that much more different, In about 20 steps in the bios you should have your desired results.

[Donnie27]

AMD does not leak stuff. Just because Intel started previewing new tech early does not mean that all other companies do, nor that Intel has always done this.

AMD leaked the first AMD Athlon 64 at 800MHz to guess who, that same Anand who folks are calling a paid Intel flunky!

http://it.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1591&p=4

AMD's Hammer in Action: The most impressive demo of IDF

Date: February 27th, 2002
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: AMD
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi

The Demo

AMD had two identical ClawHammer systems running side-by-side in their hotel suite. Now remember that these CPUs are no more than 30 days old and are the very first steppings to be released from manufacturing (A0). This demonstration of A0-stepping next-generation CPU technology has never been done in such a short amount of time by AMD. Again, we're used to seeing this type of a demo from Intel but with no such demonstration at the conference AMD stepped in to fill the void.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...~74465,00.html

SAN FRANCISCO -- September 23, 2003 --AMD (NYSE: AMD) today marked the next frontier in computing, introducing the world’s first and only Windows®-compatible 64-bit PC processor – the AMD Athlon™ 64 FX processor – and paving the way for a jaw-dropping PC experience. The AMD Athlon 64 FX processor delivers what no other PC processor can: the highest overall 32-bit performance for today’s demanding applications and the power of 64-bit computing for the next wave of software

Opterons showed up in the spring of 2003.

Follow on processors showed up long before they hit the markets as well. This didn't change until Intel showed off Conroe. Performance numbers were replaced with Slides. The only good thing that can be found at the AMD Zone as well is a Time line.