AMD 45nm Deneb Pictures, CPU-Z and Super Pi Results

[bowman]

Look at Overdrive voltages, 1.475v

Not so good in my book, but an improvement over Agena I guess...

Ah well. Too good to be true. Unless they've discovered a magical 45nm process that can somehow take 1.45 and live to tell the tale..

[informal]

Ah well. Too good to be true. Unless they've discovered a magical 45nm process that can somehow take 1.45 and live to tell the tale..

Actually AMD's SOI can take much more voltage than intel's sensitive high-k bulk process,at 45nm.I wouldn't be surprised to see AMD chips run at higher than 1.4V for OCing purposes.

[bowman]

Actually AMD's SOI can take much more voltage than intel's sensitive high-k bulk process,at 45nm.I wouldn't be surprised to see AMD chips run at higher than 1.4V for OCing purposes.

Well, there's OCing and OCing, I'm thinking of 24/7 clocks. Anything else is completely uninteresting to me.

[Rammsteiner]

@Rammsteiner: Is there any word on the clocks of the L3 cache on Deneb? Is there still a clock deficit between the L3 cache and the cores? I believe they could get a nice boost by clocking them at the same speeds, nothing ground braking probably and a downside might be a decrease (over)clocking potential. But these are all changes to the overall architecture of the chip, the cores them self could use a healthy boost and I don't think that adding some SSE instructions will do so right now.

Sorry, missed this part. Thus far it seems they clock the Northbridge still at 1.8Ghz, so excluding any eventual tweaks it would be just as fast. Deneb BE/FX might be clocked at 2Ghz again or higher.

Yeah and my E8400, which is a bad clocker, does 4GHz at 1.33v. Tell that to the folks with an E8600 E0 stepping, 4GHz at 1.21v. Nice comparison, new shinny high end 45nm AMD processor vs very low end, 65nm Intel processor

Funny to see how lots of people post their Yorkfield results in AMD threads to say Agena is crap, but if an Intel user does the opposite it's bad?

Anyway, it's bad anyway, just find it funny this is the first time someone critizes it not being an AMD user. However, you do the same with your C2D remark:

4Ghz at 1.33V for a Dual Core with High/k and metal gates that is which had quite some improvements/steppings already. This Voltage on an ES 45nm Quad without High/k and metal gates, I think it's very impressive.

It's not superb, but if you remember where we're coming from, B2 Phenoms, B3 Phenoms + SB600... Basicly all B3's (if not B2's as well) can clock well beyond 3Ghz now. I do hope they get rid of the few flaws in the NB though cause atm it's even slower clock for clock with Agena.

[STaRGaZeR]

Funny to see how lots of people post their Yorkfield results in AMD threads to say Agena is crap, but if an Intel (talking about a Conroe-L) user does the opposite it's bad?

Not bad at all, just funny to make a dual-quad-45nm-65nm-highend-lowend comparison.

Anyway, it's bad anyway, just find it funny this is the first time someone critizes it not being an AMD user. However, you do the same with your C2D remark:

4Ghz at 1.33V for a Dual Core with High/k and metal gates that is which had quite some improvements/steppings already. This Voltage on an ES 45nm Quad without High/k and metal gates, I think it's very impressive

I did the same on purpose, to show how illogical that comparison was, hence the

It's not superb, but if you remember where we're coming from, B2 Phenoms, B3 Phenoms + SB600... Basicly all B3's (if not B2's as well) can clock well beyond 3Ghz now. I do hope they get rid of the few flaws in the NB though cause atm it's even slower clock for clock with Agena.

Again, is nice compared to Agena, as I said in my first post. A 6GHz PIII or a 4GHz Athlon are nice too, but useless. I want AMD to be on par with Intel not only in overclocking, but in perfomance too, because that is what matters. I don't have my Intel at 4GHz just for the sake of it, I have it like that because I want/need that perfomance. You have your Phenom at 2,50GHz for the same reason right?

Why don't you try a quadcore comparison?
Ironically hypocritical.

1. Because there are no E0 quadcores yet.
2. Because I don't have any experience with current Yorkfields, and usually I don't use info from others about something I have not tried myself first. But if you want quad comparisons go ask at what voltages the people in the P5Q Deluxe thread have their quads at 4GHz, crushing Agena/Deneb in perfomance, power consumption and perfomance/watt.

Ironically hypocritical is the fact that some AMD users first cry about Intel being present in AMD threads, and then the same users use Intel in those same threads trying to make AMD look better (and failing). I don't care as a happy Intel user, but way to go

[Rammsteiner]

I did the same on purpose, to show how illogical that comparison was, hence the

Ah, mkay. Although I have a bit of a problem to understand the context of the post then, it makes a bit clearer though

Again, is nice compared to Agena, as I said in my first post. A 6GHz PIII or a 4GHz Athlon are nice too, but useless. I want AMD to be on par with Intel not only in overclocking, but in perfomance too, because that is what matters. I don't have my Intel at 4GHz just for the sake of it, I have it like that because I want/need that perfomance. You have your Phenom at 2,50GHz for the same reason right?

My Phenom runs at stock for a whole other reason. My board+CPU combo is that crap I cant even OC it a 100Mhz before idle freezing. Simply waiting for SB750 then to give the OC process another try.

Ironically hypocritical is the fact that some AMD users first cry about Intel being present in AMD threads, and then the same users use Intel in those same threads trying to make AMD look better (and failing). I don't care as a happy Intel user, but way to go

Must have missed something

[STaRGaZeR]

My Phenom runs at stock for a whole other reason. My board+CPU combo is that crap I cant even OC it a 100Mhz before idle freezing. Simply waiting for SB750 then to give the OC process another try.

I mean you overclock with perfomance in mind, not just for fun right? I also overclock for fun, but that's not important compared to perfomance.

Another thing I find funny is how AMD was promoting compatibility with AM2 mobos, which is nice, and how AMD fanboys said here 'you don't need another mobo, Intel forces you to buy new boards blabla'. Now see how those users say 'hey buy another AM2+ mobo because current SB600's are crap. Buy SB750's blabla'. The contradiction is the mark of the AMD fanboy these days. This is not related to the thread but I want to say it to show how illogical it is too

Must have missed something

Go read all AMD threads in the news section man, is not that difficult.

[JCornell]

1. Because there are no E0 quadcores yet.
2. Because I don't have any experience with current Yorkfields, and usually I don't use info from others about something I have not tried myself first. But if you want quad comparisons go ask at what voltages the people in the P5Q Deluxe thread have their quads at 4GHz, crushing Agena/Deneb in perfomance, power consumption and perfomance/watt.

Quad Intel E0 already revealed ... I can get some too, just I'm not interested with Penryn anymore
This is posted at some forum.
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[Macadamia]

Ironically hypocritical is the fact that some AMD users first cry about Intel being present in AMD threads, and then the same users use Intel in those same threads trying to make AMD look better (and failing). I don't care as a happy Intel user, but way to go

As a user of both companies' items, you sure seem to be banking on CPUs to boost your ego with this sort of lame trolling more than anything substantial. Performance... LMAO. You don't give a darn. I've seen enough people with the same, dead hard tone to know better.

p/s: At least SB750 users have a reason to change. X38 -> X48 -> P45, with the former 2 motherboards costing at least 1.5X-2X of AMD motherboards, you are only kidding yourself.

[Hornet331]

p/s: At least SB750 users have a reason to change. X38 -> X48 -> P45, with the former 2 motherboards costing at least 1.5X-2X of AMD motherboards, you are only kidding yourself.

lol that point is mood, most 45nm core2s still run on the P965.