guys I used to use amd even when they sucked for years, like I said I wasn't trying to troll, but let's face it, at this point in time gpu's are what they do best, and as long as they stick with the same cpu diagram (wich is essentially what they are doing to cut the cost of changing to new technology) they will continue to fail. Sure they have 45 nm but they just took a regular amd cpu and shoved a smaller die in it, but if the diagram wasn't working (enthusiast wise) before then it wont now. Sure intel just shrunk their dies but they did it on proven to work technology.