45nm Phenom Overclocked, Super Pied

[gurusan]

This certainly looks promising, but I'm still a bit skeptical. With the e0 revision dual cores coming out that will do 4.5+ghz easy on air and perform much faster clock vs clock compared to AMD...it will take something interesting to bring me back to AMD.

[cky2k6]

Even if it was technically stable, the voltage is too much for 45nm. If you look at Intel's 45nm chips, anything above 1.4V is dangerous. HK/MG may play a role there but still 1.475V on 45nm is like ~1.55-1.6V on 65nm.

If that is true though then a stable overclock to 3.7-3.8GHz should be possible with reasonable voltage. That's a huge improvement over 65nm B3.

this isn't intel's 45nm process... though yes, 1.475v is alot, i don't really expect these chips to drop dead or anything. i think intel's problem is that they changed to hafnium, which has different properties and thus has low tolerance to voltage increase. amd is still using the same formula it used for 65nm. unless, the size itself is whats causing these chips to die. in either case, even a 3.8ghz deneb will be an upgrade over my q6600, and amd systems are much more fun to tweak.

[RunawayPrisoner]

Just something... someone else (not me) noticed about that picture.



Isn't this area too... clean of artifacts? Usually, it'd be artifacted to death, no? I mean... before the number 4000 and the 2200. It seems a tad too clean. Like... something was cut and pasted in. Look around that area, and you'll see that numbers get a lot of artifacts around them. How come that area is so clean?

[keithlm]

Just something... someone else (not me) noticed about that picture.

Isn't this area too... clean of artifacts? Usually, it'd be artifacted to death, no? I mean... before the number 4000 and the 2200. It seems a tad too clean. Like... something was cut and pasted in. Look around that area, and you'll see that numbers get a lot of artifacts around them. How come that area is so clean?

Actually if you zoom in and look at the numbers in the other sections such as the cache section to the right where it has 4x64 several times and 4x512 once... both areas of the picture have the same properties in the area you are attempting to point out. And if you look closely the numbers in both sections they actually have artifacting that is VERY similar... including colours. (YOu can also look at the "Model" and "Ext. MODEL" sections ABOVE where you are looking. They have the number "4" also so you can compare.)

So... either this is fake and somebody updated the numbers in ALL the sections to make it appear valid. OR it's real.

[Oese]

yeah but there are artifacts just like the other side.. some are covered by the red box.. i marked some visible artifacts in that area with blue (now you cannot see ONE thing in that picture but ) compare with above to see what i mean..

keithlm was early bird..

[RunawayPrisoner]

Take the original picture and view that area all by yourself and you'll see what I mean. The pixels suddenly got cleaned in a very straight line starting from the number 4 to the number 2.

[keithlm]

Nope.

Look here:

This is zoomed in and had the contrast changed to REALLY highlight the artifacts. You can compare before the numbers in each section. About the same.

[RunawayPrisoner]

Well, I guess that's still not obvious enough? Here you go.



And here's how one with natural JPEG compression (using MS Paint) should look like:



So... why is it that the artifacts were cut off in such a straight line? Usually, it'd artifact a bit more at the spot I highlighted.

Or okay, assuming he did not save the screenshot using MS Paint (not a clean install of Vista? Or maybe something else was more useful. I have no idea), then I'd like to take a look at that software and see how I can generate a picture with such a clean cut in artifacts, because honestly, I can't do it even with Photoshop.

[spicypixel]

Thanks, dreams dashed. There goes all hope! lol

[SEA]

You are right, unfortunatelly. It looks very very suspicious. 99% it is fake.
I did similar cpu-z screenshot and saved it with different compression rates. And always compression artifacts sided frequency numbers equally (except 100% of course).

There is still 1% of hope that it was not "fart into the water" by some "miraculous superclocker".

[msimax]

i thought they only used csi for murders

[knightwolf654]

watch this


with default cooling (box?), real Vcore was 1.475V.

you know i find it funny that u guys are trying to disprove this....
ok now that you think you disproved the cpu-z screen how about AOD?

[knightwolf654]

this from a random cpu-z
i take it this is wrong as well???

taken from here....
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=20790&catid=2

every single one i have looked at so far has the same pattern. its not a fake. if you believe otherwise please prove it.

[keithlm]

This screenshot does not have enough detail to determine whether it was a fake or not.

(I meant the 4.0Gzh one... not the one in the post just above this one.)

[RunawayPrisoner]

this from a random cpu-z
i take it this is wrong as well???

taken from here....
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=20790&catid=2

every single one i have looked at so far has the same pattern. its not a fake. if you believe otherwise please prove it.

Well, if you so wish. That one also has the artifacts overlapping the numbers a bit on the left. The 4GHz one clearly has a cut that is extremely close to the numbers for some reason. I'd even go as far as saying that the pattern was recognize to be the same right at the numbers, so that section was either pasted in, or... something else took that space.

As for AOD, the texts and numbers are not anti-aliased (which means you only have to use paint to modify it). If this was legit, the poster could have just done a verification and then post it along. Simple as that. Why bother showing a screenshot? And if it's a screenshot, I can create a 9GHz Intel quad-core running at 1.08v, too.

Like keithlm said, there's not enough to show that this is true or fake. But I'm leaning towards fake due to:

1) The poster was a person who just registered on overclockers.net to post specifically one screenshot without any verification.

2) The weird artifacts up there. Would not have been suspicious if it didn't make a clean cut right at the numbers. It should expand a bit before the numbers (a bit to the left) at least. We've had two CPU-Z screenshots showing that now.

3) Weirdest thing since UFO: WoW on a Phenom test system?

4) What kind of "stock cooler" can sustain 53C maximum load... for a quad-core processor running at 4GHz... on almost 1.5v vCore?

[charged3800z24]

But if you notice it too has a clean line.. streight that is on the left side. the right side is more bushy.... LOOOK closley

[RunawayPrisoner]

I didn't mean the straight line. I meant that the line was too close to the number. As if the artifacts in that area were deliberately erased. If you'd look closely, there's always a line, because that's how it's supposed to be (alignment thing), but... key point was that it was too close to the numbers on the 4GHz screenshot.

[charged3800z24]

Crap it went small LOL.. I'll see why...

Now it is Big LOL

well here is a screeny of one of mine with the new CPU-Z. It has the artifacta cut right next to the numbers as well. It is a placement thing. The close the numbers are to the text cut off point the less artifacts you will see.

[keithlm]

1) The poster was a person who just registered on overclockers.net to post specifically one screenshot without any verification.

2) The weird artifacts up there. Would not have been suspicious if it didn't make a clean cut right at the numbers. It should expand a bit before the numbers (a bit to the left) at least. We've had two CPU-Z screenshots showing that now.

3) Weirdest thing since UFO: WoW on a Phenom test system?

4) What kind of "stock cooler" can sustain 53C maximum load... for a quad-core processor running at 4GHz... on almost 1.5v vCore?

Just a few points:

1. If it was a LEAK then it would be an anonymous post. That would actually SUPPORTS that it might be real if there is an NDA. But it could also indicate false. So NO JOY.

2. The numbers in the CACHE column for the "Level 2" row also cut off at about exactly the same place on the "4". Since that column has the biggest number the "4" in that column is LEFT of all other numbers. In the column we are looknig at the first number isn't really bigger or smaller than the other columns except for the one on the bottom. The "2" is cuttoff at the same place... it could go either way. So NO JOY.

3. When you load the ATI 8.7 Catalyst it now loads a WoW "Trial" icon. (I personally hate that.) So NO JOY. Unless you like WoW.

4. I don't think these chips get as hot as people have been claiming. But I wouldn't depend on a stock cooler.

MY OPINION: With the new sb750 getting 3.5Ghz@1.475V on the 9950 at ANAND's site... I was expecting to see 3.8Ghz to 4.0Ghz. Maybe even on 65nm chips. Definitely on 45nm. So I am inclined to believe this screenshot.

[DevilCry]

The same thing happend, with an early certificated ss from a 5000+ BB at a high freg..THis is sad.AMD can reach 4, as the facts leads as there (read keithlm's opinion and look new steppings of 9850, which can do 3.5 with ~1.4).I do not understand, why a lot of ppl minds are stuck, that amd has a wall at 3.5 with stock air-water-etc or it's not permitted or can't pass this "wall".

[Daveburt714]

i thought they only used csi for murders

Thats Fricking funny man!! I've had my blacklight up to the monitor for the last 10 minutes.... And I'm still not sure...
At least I didn't see any semen samples!! (Schew....)

[awdrifter]

I think the 4ghz screenshot is fake. The K8 and K10 are not designed to clock that high.

[informal]

I think the 4ghz screenshot is fake. The K8 and K10 are not designed to clock that high.

WOW!

The K8 and K10 are not designed to clock that high.

^^ You surely "know" what you are talking about...

[RunawayPrisoner]

Just a few points:

1. If it was a LEAK then it would be an anonymous post. That would actually SUPPORTS that it might be real if there is an NDA. But it could also indicate false. So NO JOY.

2. The numbers in the CACHE column for the "Level 2" row also cut off at about exactly the same place on the "4". Since that column has the biggest number the "4" in that column is LEFT of all other numbers. In the column we are looknig at the first number isn't really bigger or smaller than the other columns except for the one on the bottom. The "2" is cuttoff at the same place... it could go either way. So NO JOY.

3. When you load the ATI 8.7 Catalyst it now loads a WoW "Trial" icon. (I personally hate that.) So NO JOY. Unless you like WoW.

4. I don't think these chips get as hot as people have been claiming. But I wouldn't depend on a stock cooler.

MY OPINION: With the new sb750 getting 3.5Ghz@1.475V on the 9950 at ANAND's site... I was expecting to see 3.8Ghz to 4.0Ghz. Maybe even on 65nm chips. Definitely on 45nm. So I am inclined to believe this screenshot.

I just want to add to:

2) It might also be cut out from an earlier screenshot. I'm giving this the benefit of the doubt, but it's already looking more suspicious as its specs are vastly different from the other ES chips. Maybe a retail one? But... so soon? And what stepping is it?

3) Yeah... true. I just updated and saw it. Now I know how you feel. That would mean that this was done very recently. Probably... right at the time it was posted. But that is IF it was legit.

4) Still not very sure about this one. Although I don't entirely distrust the possibility that with air-cooling, these temps can be achieved, I can't really say that it can be done with... a stock cooler? This is the major one that's bending my head 360 degress every second.

The same thing happend, with an early certificated ss from a 5000+ BB at a high freg..THis is sad.AMD can reach 4, as the facts leads as there (read keithlm's opinion and look new steppings of 9850, which can do 3.5 with ~1.4).I do not understand, why a lot of ppl minds are stuck, that amd has a wall at 3.5 with stock air-water-etc or it's not permitted or can't pass this "wall".

Don't get me wrong. Just spotting a few things. It could be fluke (on my part). I honestly hope for 4GHz reachable Phenom to come out. If it is easy to reach such clocks, I'm getting myself one.

And yeah, people, I'm not claiming that I'm right, and I'd be HAPPY if someone would prove me wrong (with a CPU-Z validation). It just means a good system update for me.

[keithlm]

4) Still not very sure about this one. Although I don't entirely distrust the possibility that with air-cooling, these temps can be achieved, I can't really say that it can be done with... a stock cooler? This is the major one that's bending my head 360 degress every second.

NOTE: If you use the site the photo came from... you can find this post:
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/35...ml#post4285185

That post seems to more "original" than the post on this forum... and NOTHING is said about it being stock cooling. Actually nothing is said at all about it... other than you have to look at AOD to see the real voltage and not the CPU-Z. (WHEN I SAY more original... the screenshot was posted on THAT forum before it was posted here... and is hosted there.)

SPECULATION ALERT: AOD in the screenshot looks like the currently available BETA version. NOT the SB750 version. So this might be WITHOUT the SB750. We can hope. Then we can hope that the SB750 does some magic for the 45nm also. That would mean... OH WOW... I don't even want to think about that.... 4.4Ghz? At 1.475V? OOOOOOOOHHHHHH. Oh did I say that in my "out loud" voice? (I'll take 3.5Ghz and be happy with it.)