Real Temp - New temp program for Intel Core processors

[skinnee]

Sweet! csv is exactly what I need as well! thanks andy and unclewebb!

[psychok9]

Thank you unclewebb for your great program!
I have a little question: can you update the TjMax for Q6600-G0 step to 100°c?
Or you think that 95°c is the correct value?
I know that i can edit, but i don't understand the difference from your program and others... and i don't know who to believe

Sorry for my eng, and thank you again.

[loonym]

I believe 95c for q6600 G0. If you think it's not right simply change it yourself.

[unclewebb]

mcoffey: I found just enough room in the Settings GUI to squeeze in a CSV option so you can change it on the fly. I'll get that updated in the next few hours.

psychok9: I have a little question: can you update the TjMax for Q6600-G0 step to 100°c?

I could do that; but then it would be wrong. The long standing belief that TjMax=100C for a Q6600-G0 is wrong. I have the same processor in my computer at the moment and I have tested it with an IR thermometer and TjMax=100C is somewhere between highly unlikely and impossible.

If you can provide me with some official Intel documentation which states TjMax for the Q6600 then I'll think about changing it for you. RealTemp is about doing things differently and not blindly following other temperature programs just because they are/were popular. Have you done any calibration testing as outlined in the docs like other users here have done? Give that a try first. loonym and I don't believe for a second that TjMax=100C for our Q6600 - GO.

[HDCHOPPER]

I thought I was done but if someone needs RealTemp to output some Excel friendly (.csv) files then I'll do it. By the way, it's done!

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip

It's not user friendly at the moment but I think there is enough room to squeeze in this option into the Settings window. For the moment you will need to go into the RealTemp.ini file and add this:

CSV=1

Now the log file will be saved as RealTempLog.csv which can be directly imported into Excel and saved as a worksheet. How's that for productivity on a Friday night? Obviously I need to get a life!

[RealTelstar]

btw the start minimized still do NOT work with vista at startup.

[unclewebb]

RealTelstar: RejZoR and another user mentioned that it was working in Vista now. Here's some Vista info:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1751

RejZoR says he is using the Task Scheduler in Vista and not the Startup folder to automatically assign the Administrator rights that RealTemp needs to read the temperature data from the CPU in an OS friendly way.

Does Start Minimized work when you try running RealTemp from the Desktop or does it never, ever work?

[RealTelstar]

RealTelstar: RejZoR and another user mentioned that it was working in Vista now. Here's some Vista info:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1751

RejZoR says he is using the Task Scheduler in Vista and not the Startup folder to automatically assign the Administrator rights that RealTemp needs to read the temperature data from the CPU in an OS friendly way.

Thats the difference, I put it in the startup folder. I have UAC disabled, so i think i should just use the task scheduler.

Does Start Minimized work when you try running RealTemp from the Desktop or does it never, ever work?

Yes, it does.

[unclewebb]

Thanks RealTelstar for clearing that up. As a perfectionist, it's the little things that drive me crazy!

Now I can update the documentation explaining this for other Vista users.

[majestik]

Speaking of the log file, how often does it write to disk? Seems as of now, it writes the buffer to disk something like every hour + on shutdown.

So now if the system blue-screens, the buffer is lost. It would make sense to write to disk more often, like every minute or 10 seconds.

[loonym]

I think if you have logging enabled it writes to the log file every 5 seconds by default?

[majestik]

I think if you have logging enabled it writes to the log file every 5 seconds by default?

Yes but the data isn't actually written to disk every log interval. It's stored in a memory buffer and gets written to the file once every while... at least on vista.

[loonym]

I see, interesting, thanks. I really have never tried the log feature.

edit: is regular bluescreening an issue for you? j/k lol

[unclewebb]

majestik: You're right. RealTemp only writes the log file to disk once per hour or when it exits. I did this because I hate programs that are constantly thrashing and fragmenting my hard drive. Any suggestions about how often you would like the log data written to disk? I get a little carried away when it comes to efficiency sometimes. How about once a minute? Would that be a reasonable compromise?

If someone has the Logging Interval at one second then I really don't want RT writing to disk every one second. On an unstable system, RealTemp would end up getting the blame for screwing up someone's hard disk while writing to disk during a blue screen.

[WoZZeR999]

You could have a list item option for how long. Start it at 5 secs, up to 1/hour, with logical intervals. That way RT could not be blamed for the BSoD, but yet still offer some configuration to how the log is setup.

Edit:
Scratch that, have a .ini option so that it's not something that the average user would be able to change. It would default to 1/hour if the option didn't exist in the ini, but if it did exist it could be set to x seconds.

[majestik]

Yeah .ini value for sure.

[unclewebb]

I've re-thought this and I know when I've been doing some high temp Prime runs that Core processors randomly re-boot before showing an error. Losing all the temp data that's been gathered before it's been saved isn't much use to see how hot it was running at the time that it crashed. An INI option is simple to implement. I'll also reduce the default setting. Compared to the way Windows is always thrashing away, RealTemp isn't exactly a major load on things. If a user doesn't want RealTemp writing to their hard drive then it's easy enough to turn off the log file option.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[loonym]

I had always assumed it just wrote to log whatever interval was set. I'm still stuck on mbm5 and that's what those logs were like.

[unclewebb]

Hard drives are slow compared to memory so it's more efficient when writing small amounts of data to cache it in memory for a while first but the risk is loss of data if your computer crashes. It's better to write 2000 bytes of data to the hard drive once than to write 20 bytes of data 100 times. I'll make this fully adjustable for power users but will hide it from the GUI. I've got no room left there for any new features!

I guess I'm showing my age. My first computer ran at 7 MHz and didn't come with a hard drive. I couldn't justify spending another couple of hundred bucks for a 20 MB drive so only had a floppy. Writing data to the hard drive back then was not an option!

[Xello]

Any chance of adding a 'run this program when windows starts' option?

Cheers.

[TheScavenger]

Any chance of adding a 'run this program when windows starts' option?

Cheers.

I second that idea

[unclewebb]

In XP, drag a link to RealTemp into your All Programs -> Start Up folder and in Vista, let the Task Scheduler handle it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1816

I prefer not to add anything to a user's registry but I'll consider an option for this in the future.

[Xello]

In XP, drag a link to RealTemp into your All Programs -> Start Up folder and in Vista, let the Task Scheduler handle it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1816

I prefer not to add anything to a user's registry but I'll consider an option for this in the future.

Thanks i'll try that out.

[WoodButcher]

I have vista home premium, UAC disabled, I saved the entire RT program in the start up folder. When I had the RT file elsewhere and a shortcut to RT in start up it did not work. Now it will start minimized every time.

[Xello]

I have vista home premium, UAC disabled, I saved the entire RT program in the start up folder. When I had the RT file elsewhere and a shortcut to RT in start up it did not work. Now it will start minimized every time.

Use the Task Scheduler, that worked for me. Right click Computer > Manage, and you'll see it.